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  • What should Madrid build next (please give arguments)?

    Regardless of what goes in the queue after the spearman, the next thing after that will be a worker. We just need to either build an improvement or some military units between now and then so that we can bulk up Madrid's population and food stores before popping out the worker (which reduces our pop again).

    Ideally, I want to get Madrid to the point where it's either wavering between 2 and 4 pop while pumping out settlers or wavering between 3 and 5 pop while pumping out settlers.

    Getting Madrid up there will be an issue due primarily to happiness, so building a temple might be nice (though we can always just station a second spearman in the city and raise the lux slider to 10% if we go to 5 pop).

    A barracks would be great for building veteran rather than regular military units, a nice thing to be doing with GoW warriors looming about (though there's no guarantee they'll still be around and I'm pretty sure their conscript warrior and regular warrior are both very alone and not anything of a real threat).

    A granary might be nice for both working our population up to that level and then rebounding from the pop-hit whenever we build the next settler. A granary lets a city become a far more efficient settler factory than we can currently muster. Problem is that a granary is the most expensive of these options and would greatly delay that worker (though we could do the worker first if we're going to build a granary - then have the worker build a MINE or two on the hills out of Madrid before moving on).

    2 more spearmen might not be a bad idea either, or perhaps a spearman and 2 more warriors. They'd all be regulars, but sheer numbers might not be a bad idea with barbarians getting worse and our settlers needing protection.

    Please offer arguments and votes.

    Togas and I will obviously make the final decision on this issue, but input from the team would be highly valuable concerning this
    14
    Temple (30 shields)
    42.86%
    6
    Barracks (40 shields)
    42.86%
    6
    Granary (60 shields)
    0.00%
    0
    Spearman (20 shields) and 1-2 warriors (10 shields each)
    7.14%
    1
    Worker (10 shields - drop pop to 1)
    7.14%
    1

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  • #2
    Personally, I'm torn between temple and barracks, with granary being something to consider as well....

    I think temple is probably the best option (especially given our discount) for REXing because Granary is so much more expensive and barracks, while I had originally wanted it, probably isn't as critical is raising Madrid's population so that settler production goes faster. Of course, it would go A LOT faster if we had a granary, but perhaps that's what Pamplona should build?
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    • #3
      The Military solution

      we need some defense for any possible sneak attacks.
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      • #4
        I'd go for barracks too... We should start building veteran units as soon as possible. And we'll need it later to upgrade our warriors to swordsmen when the iron tiles will be connected.
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        • #5
          I would support (in order of preference)

          Barracks
          Grainery
          Military Units - particularly warriors that can be upgraded with our excelent finances.
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          • #6
            I'm favoring the Barracks solution myself, but we need that worker.

            An Alternate plan, build the worker and start on the Granary, have the Worker build a road at the Game and then move to the other Forest tile (SE of the Game) and cut down the forrest. THis will give 10 sheilds to the Granary build. Then he can start roading & Irrigating towards Barcelona from that point.

            Or you can do that right after the Barracks is built. But that's one option.

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            • #7
              I would support (in order of preference)

              Workers
              Temple
              Barracks
              Military units
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              • #8
                If the next in queue after that is a worker then I would go for barracks now.
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                • #9
                  And now for a completely different take on it...

                  I say Temple.

                  1) It will be completed the most quickly, so we get the worker more quickly. Arnelos is right, building the worker first will ultimately slow REX down.
                  2) It will allow us more flexibility in military unit duties, if one less garrison in necessary in Madrid.
                  3) It will speed the cultural expansion of Madrid, connecting with Pamplona, and starting to "draw the line" across the continent that we desire.

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                  • #10
                    Temple is what I'm leaning toward as well... but that barracks is still tempting.
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                    • #11
                      With a war very likely to come I choose for safety first and luxuries later.

                      First barracks, second spearman. (Once GoW's army has reached us I hope both be built, otherwise we have to build up a strong REGULAR military and build the barracks later.

                      I NEVER push up the luxuries until the need such that no other choice is left: like in a continuing war, gov = dem and warweariness is catastrophic.

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                      • #12
                        A war very likely?

                        Somehow I think not. GoW has 1 conscript warrior and 1 regular warrior near us. The rest of whatever forces they have are likely all the way on the other side of the continent. If their score is any indication, they have only 2 cities.

                        War? I really doubt it.

                        If we build a barracks immediately rather than waiting for more REX to be done, it will be to help us with fighting the barbarians and to save a few shields from re-building veteran spears to replace our regulars down the line.
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                        • #13
                          Both a temple and barracks are needed eventually, but this "filler" in our queue will be better served with a barracks FIRST, so that any units we happen to create afterwards (escorts for Settlers, warriors, horsemen) will be improved.

                          I do not believe we will be going to war soon, but the barracks is a necessary improvement ... it's long overdue. Dejon's family has been training our troops in a FIELD for a thousand years! Isn't it time we built them a suitable facility to train our men?

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                          • #14
                            I would disagree with the sentiment that war is going to come to us in the near (or even somewhat distant) future. I would personally support a temple most, but a barracks is certainly a very viable, reasonable, and suitable choice. Indeed, our brave warriors could use some respect!
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                            • #15
                              We have many good defense bonus in our surroundings (mountains, hills, jungle, rivers). Thus, we don't need veterans units at the moment, so we dont need barracks urgently.

                              I think a Temple will be the best choice for Madrid :

                              1. Enlarge our borders, connecting Madrid & Pamplona soon.

                              2. Helping Madrid to growth faster (delaying disorder).

                              3. Increasing our culture output.

                              After the Temple, and next bulding a worker, Madrid could build quickly somme spear or warriors, before building barracks, to form a virtual border at the North/North-West of Madrid and on the jungle (near the ND border), to survey the possible arrival of hostile troops. This will give us the time to switch our productions to military units if needed.

                              The defensive/survey border should be set soon, with Madrid becoming a Military units factory in a mid-term future. With a temple, two garrison units and a luxury, Madrid could reach the 6 pop easily and have an impressive shield output.
                              Last edited by astrologix; January 23, 2003, 05:52.
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