Alliance with Lux Invicta

[Aidun]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
In the past, agreements were guaranteed by hostages, of course they did not have international courts. Why not send them high ranked hostages like Arnelos and/or dejon, and they could kill them if we dont stick to our words ?

Originally posted by oliverfa

Hey this isn't such a bad idea at all!

Maybe not for now, but for other agreements, use a unit like hostage.

How should Lux kill Arnelos or dejon? Remember that Lux is not roleplay.

Aidun Cian

[mrmitchell]

Okay, I only skimmed thru the thread, but remember, we're the RP team. We need to sound like a bunch of goofy guys who happen to be playing PtW, not a bunch of hardcore 12-hours-a-day computer geeks. (Granted, we probably are a bunch of goofy guys happening to be playing PtW, but that's not the point.) If we can create the illusion of being a relaxed team, we can use it to our advantage.

Thus, we need to stay in the timeperiod.

If we must have this ugly alliance, roleplay it very heavily. Heck, if we put it on real thick, they might not even figure out what it really means.

(Just some thoughts.)

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Aidun


How should Lux kill Arnelos or dejon?

If Lux does not find a way, it is not really better for them. The code of honor prevailing in those times edicts that, not to be dishonored as hostages, they must not survive anyway, in case we fail to respect the agreement. And you know what Honor means for those high nobles, Grands d'Espagne and the like.

[DAVOUT]

mrmitchell,

Of course I agree, anything lowering our profile is good. In this line of though, what would you think at starting a very serious (but secret) negociation with GoW about hiring them as mercenaries. We could make that looks like the very center of our desire to deal with them, all other matters (tech deals particularly) being secondary for us.

[Aidun]

DAVOUT, I hope you're not serious, but anyway I don't like such risky deals. What if they tell this to the international comunity?

Aidun Cian

[DAVOUT]

We will make the whole community laugh at them who have believe that story.

[DAVOUT]

Mistake

[Aidun]

DAVOUT,

My family was already a noble family in the Celtic land to the north, so I know very well what Honour means.

Aidun Cian

[DAVOUT]

Aidun,

I never had any doubt about it, and it was not a reminder (no offence intended).

Anyway, I add your name to the list of potential honorable hostages.

[Aidun]

Sorry I forgot to add a smile, so you could have seen I didn't meant it offensive.
About hostages: I like more being captured on the battlefield than send away as a hostage.

Aidun Cian

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Aidun

About hostages: I like more being captured on the battlefield than send away as a hostage.

The choice would rather be : being killed on the battlefield or send away as hostage. We are in a time where the lifespan was quite short.

[Aidun]

Yes, what I mean could happen after several centuries when we enter the Middle ages.
[ooc]It would be funny, but not realistic to do here. We should have several roleplay teams playing against each other. [/ooc]

Aidun Cian

Edit: prefer being killed on the battlefield and being remembered as a brave man than being hostage.

[jdjdjd]

Back on topic please ...

Add whatever comments, and tomorrow I will try to piece it all together and make a very RPish alliance treaty. I am much calmer now, and not so anti-Lux as I was before, but sure as hell, I still don't trust any of them....

[Togas]

OOC:

It is my firm belief that we will win this game via diplomacy, which requires us to be active, creative, and opportunistic. It is always better to make agreements than to shun them, and it is always in our best interest to establish early on that we can resolve competing interests via negotiations before we resort to violence. It is also good that we demonstrate now that we are "on the same page" as our neighbors.

RP:

We want peaceful and profitable relations with the nations around us so that Spain may grow and multiply safely. We want to establish friendships with even the most vile and dangerous leaders of our world. So that when trouble brews they will see us as a friend and call upon us as a friend, and not as a rival.

Also, my great grandfather once told me that it is good to keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. We should keep this wisdom in mind. It is much more difficult for them to harm us whilst in this sort of agreement.

So let us create an agreement that expresses our strong desire for true friendship and cooperation with this nation. Let this agreement not be a license to start war, but a means to keep war from coming to Spain.

--Togas

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Togas
OOC:

It is my firm belief that we will win this game via diplomacy, which requires us to be active, creative, and opportunistic. It is always better to make agreements than to shun them, and it is always in our best interest to establish early on that we can resolve competing interests via negotiations before we resort to violence. It is also good that we demonstrate now that we are "on the same page" as our neighbors.

Such a policy has to be the expression of something easy to understand, a strong argument impossible to contradict. Uncommitting treaties can only get uncommitted associates.
We could make an official statement that we will side with any of the three who would be victim of an aggression, because it is our best interest. The only treaty we would be prepared to sign would be a quadriparty non-aggression pact, the ordinary business (tech deal, etc) being dealt with as usual.