Tweet
GodKing, E_T - you seem to both be overlooking the potential demise of Pamplona if the hut is barbarians. We are discussing the best way to avoid the risk.
-
-
I'm currently playing three other PBEM games and I've never seen barbarians in.
Is there a bug ? do you have some experience on it ?Comment
-
The first hut I popped in a PBEM I'm playing unleashed 3 barbs
"Great artists have no country."
-Alfred de MussetComment
-
we could move the spearman Madrid is about to build (I know it says 12 turns as of 3000 B.C. but it could be as early as 2850 B.C. when they actually come online; Madrid is about to grow and get good shield production again.
We could move those spearmen next to Pamplona and have them wait there on the turn that the hut is popped. If barbarians come out, spear defends Pamplona; otherwise, it goes back to Madrid.
The only problem would be that Madrid will reach size 3 and be temporarily without a garrison, but we could bump the entertainment slider accordingly."The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." -- Abraham Lincoln
"Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this ever, in flesh and blood, walked upon this earth." -- Albert Einstein, in regards to Mohandis GandhiComment
-
That sounds good, ruby_maser. The spear will be ready in another 3 turns, and will then take 4 turns to get to Pamplona. So the warrior built in Pamplona (in 4 turns) won't have to wait long either:Originally posted by ruby_maser
we could move the spearman Madrid is about to build (I know it says 12 turns as of 3000 B.C. but it could be as early as 2850 B.C. when they actually come online; Madrid is about to grow and get good shield production again.
We could move those spearmen next to Pamplona and have them wait there on the turn that the hut is popped. If barbarians come out, spear defends Pamplona; otherwise, it goes back to Madrid.
The only problem would be that Madrid will reach size 3 and be temporarily without a garrison, but we could bump the entertainment slider accordingly.
2950: Warrior in 4 turns, Spearmen in 3
2900: Warrior in 3 turns, Spearmen in 2
2850: Warrior in 2 turns, Spearmen in 1
2800: Warrior in 1 turns, Spearmen moves W
2750: Warrior waits, Spearmen moves W
2700: Warrior waits, Spearmen moves W
2650: Warrior moves NW, Spearmen moves W
2600: Warrior moves W (pops hut), Spearmen in PamplonaComment
-
Great ideaOriginally posted by ruby_maser
We could move those spearmen next to Pamplona and have them wait there on the turn that the hut is popped. If barbarians come out, spear defends Pamplona; otherwise, it goes back to Madrid.
"Great artists have no country."
-Alfred de MussetComment
-
What will they do - steal our gold. What gold?
Steal our production - we will only have a few shields built up. Nothing significant, only 2 turns. If we build a warrior second - it might be ready just in case.
Steal our people - well, that could hurt, but only a bit.
No. Barbarians are not much of a threat. That assumes they will go streight for the city. FIRST they have to appear, THEN they have to go after us.... NO, it is not a significant threat yet. Just pop it ASAP.If you're interested in participating in the first Civ 5 Community Game then please visit: http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/forum.phpComment
-
Well, I ran enough scenarios enough to differ with you on that a bit, GK. I set it up without preserving the random seed so I could get different results and then just kept reloading the game and popping the hut.Originally posted by GodKing
No. Barbarians are not much of a threat. That assumes they will go streight for the city. FIRST they have to appear, THEN they have to go after us.... NO, it is not a significant threat yet. Just pop it ASAP.
Of the about 20 times that I ran it through, 7-8 times it was barbarians and not just one unit but usually 3. On two occassions the random placement of the barbarians put them right by poor, undefended Pamplona. I got a mixture of results when it wasn't barbarians: region maps, skilled warriors, a tech once or twice, but I think I think the risk should be addressed.
I will petition Governor Arnelos about the matter. Hopefully, he will consider releasing his upcoming garrison of spearmen for what Señor Dejon called a "defense exercise" to safeguard Pamplona against rape and pillage and prevent the looting of our treasury."The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." -- Abraham Lincoln
"Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this ever, in flesh and blood, walked upon this earth." -- Albert Einstein, in regards to Mohandis GandhiComment
-
As noted by GodKing, the damage of a barbarian assault can't be dramatic. However sending the Madrid spearmen to Pamplona according to Ruby_maser's plan will just delay the opening of the hut by 2 turns, NeuDem's scout should not reach it within that timeframe. Also we'll really need a spearman in both cities (especially Madrid) within 7-8 turns, as Lux Invicta's warrior is approaching."Great artists have no country."
-Alfred de MussetComment
-
Señor Crousto, it is my intention to have Pamplona's tiles micromanaged briefly to use to forest to her SW once she becomes size 2. After the warriors are completed, a spearman will be the next queue and will come more quickly if we utilize the 2 shields the forest provides.Originally posted by Crousto
Also we'll really need a spearman in both cities (especially Madrid) within 7-8 turns, as Lux Invicta's warrior is approaching."The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." -- Abraham Lincoln
"Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this ever, in flesh and blood, walked upon this earth." -- Albert Einstein, in regards to Mohandis GandhiComment
-
I have received your petitition (OOC: I got your PM).Originally posted by ruby_maser
I will petition Governor Arnelos about the matter. Hopefully, he will consider releasing his upcoming garrison of spearmen for what Señor Dejon called a "defense exercise" to safeguard Pamplona against rape and pillage and prevent the looting of our treasury.
[OOC]
I've been offline for nearly 2 days now and I've obviously missed out on some events. As I responded to you via PM, I need to look at this more closely.
If I don't have a definitive answer regarding this in time, I'm sure Togas, as our benevolent and wise supreme leader, will likely make a decision in the interests of the entire nation (as my orders for Madrid are, afterall, but advice for him that he is free to contradict
).
That said, I hope to be able to take a closer look at this and be able to submit an altered long-range plan for Madrid that takes into account the need for Madrid to produce defense for Pamplona.Long-time poster on Apolyton and WePlayCiv
Consul of Apolyton from the 1st Civ3 Inter-Site Democracy Game (ISDG)
7th President of Apolyton in the 1st Civ3 Democracy GameComment
-
I never dreamed a single goody hut could generate such a long thread.
Comment
-
Isn't it great?Originally posted by Thrumble
I never dreamed a single goody hut could generate such a long thread.
And some people thought that a slow game would be boring!
"Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
"A communist is someone who has read Marx and Lenin. An anticommunist is someone who has understood Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan (1911-2004)Comment
-
Well, señor Crousto, IMHO we are not micromanaging our empire to lose all in a bad decision about a good hut. I really believe this would hurt us terribly, since an small diference at the begining is a big different at the end.Originally posted by Crousto
As noted by GodKing, the damage of a barbarian assault can't be dramatic.
This also bothers me. I am not happy seeing this warriors coming. I'm worried about the lifes of our spanish citizens.Originally posted by Crousto
Also we'll really need a spearman in both cities (especially Madrid) within 7-8 turns, as Lux Invicta's warrior is approaching."Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
"A communist is someone who has read Marx and Lenin. An anticommunist is someone who has understood Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan (1911-2004)Comment
-
And also, remember. I'm totally against using the worker to open the hut.
"Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
"A communist is someone who has read Marx and Lenin. An anticommunist is someone who has understood Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan (1911-2004)Comment
Comment