Diplomacy Thread

[astrologix]

Dejon, I'm stupid

Of course, our neighbours's UU are as you just wrote down.

[Crousto]

Originally posted by dejon
Lux (Ottomans) - Sipahi(7.3.3) - Military Tradition (Late Middle Ages)

Despite what's written in the manual and on the official Civ3 website, Sipahis are 8.3.3 in the game (overpowered! ) .

[Togas]

Tech alliance Pros:

We could multiply our tech research rate by 3 or 4 times and guarantee that we would be one of the few advanced civilizations on this planet. We can diminish the scientific advantage of Lux, and should we find the "lost civs" before our neighbors, we would have a vast array of knowledge to offer them for contacts, maps, etc.

We would always be the most advanced civ in specific areas, and if chose right, would be assured at the first crack at Wonders and new improvements, plus our tech would always have the best resale/trade value to civs outside of our alliance.

The more we cooperate, the better our relations with our neighbors, and the less likely that war will break out with one of them.

Furthermore, it is possible that the "Lost Civs" may do this sort of arrangement if they are in close contact. We may need to do it to remain competative, or it is possible that the northern three will agree to do this without us, but I think that is far less likely.


Tech alliance Cons:

Our role as the peaceful middleman who wheels and deals in knowledge would be limited. We would not have a edge over the others (who would likely compete to learn the same knowledge) in our trade deals.

We would be somewhat locked into a path of research that may not allow us to be flexible in times of emergency. We would rely on other nations for key knowledge.

--Togas

[astrologix]

Originally posted by dejon

GoW (Chinese) - Rider(4.3.3) - Chivalry (Early Middle Ages)
Lux (Ottomans) - Sipahi(7.3.3) - Military Tradition (Late Middle Ages)
ND (Arabs) - Ansar(4.2.3) - Chivalry (Early Middle Ages)

There is another interesting thing from this list :

ND and GoW could be interested to launch a war against Lux or Roleplay in the Middle Age, in order to have their GA before and to reduce the effect of a later GA of Lux or us.

It would be in the interest of these two civs to ally against Lux and us. This is why, an early alliance with Lux could be good for us (Sorry if these considerations have been already discussed in another thread)

[DAVOUT]

*Torquemada writes the first draft of a report for Lord Togas :

Your Supremity,

I am worried about the behaviour of dejon and Astrologix who are currently publicly debating about subjects of the highest strategic importance, clearly aiming to confuse the Spanish people. It seems that Astrologix is an accomplice, but the whole thing is signed dejon. Adding the vice to the crime, dejon recognized that he had absorbed prohibited materials before propagating those alarming wrong information. This attempt to destabilize the Empire will benefit to our Northern neighbours who certainly finance the whole thing.
On that subject of finance, I recall that I have already noticed that the dejon family is eating squids every day, which no reasonably wealthy family can afford, considering the scandalous price the Squid Baron dare charge.


Well, I will make some more observation before ending my report. *

[Thrumble]

Originally posted by astrologix


There is another interesting thing from this list :

ND and GoW could be interested to launch a war against Lux or Roleplay in the Middle Age, in order to have their GA before and to reduce the effect of a later GA of Lux or us.

It would be in the interest of these two civs to ally against Lux and us. This is why, an early alliance with Lux could be good for us (Sorry if these considerations have been already discussed in another thread)

I don't think a GoW/ND alliance is likely, in fact I would be far more expectant of the two going at it once they got their UU's.

In this case, I would see GoW getting their UU first if we do go through with this tech alliance and annexing ND before their UU is available to them.

The latter is in fact what I suspect GoW has had in plan from the beginning, and not necessarily a bad thing for us. While they are battling to annex the northern ND territory, which is apparently good defensive land we can annex and consolidate the entire southern chunk of the continent.

[Aidun]

Originally posted by astrologix


There is another interesting thing from this list :

ND and GoW could be interested to launch a war against Lux or Roleplay in the Middle Age, in order to have their GA before and to reduce the effect of a later GA of Lux or us.

It would be in the interest of these two civs to ally against Lux and us. This is why, an early alliance with Lux could be good for us (Sorry if these considerations have been already discussed in another thread)

Astrologix, they needn't to have their Golden Age before we have it if we build a large religious wonder before they get their GA. That wonder may be the oracle or the Sixtine Chapel. I have done so in my own Spanish PTW game and it worked.

Aidun

[Hot Mustard]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
*Torquemada writes the first draft of a report for Lord Togas :

Your Supremity,

I am worried about the behaviour of dejon and Astrologix who are currently publicly debating about subjects of the highest strategic importance, clearly aiming to confuse the Spanish people. It seems that Astrologix is an accomplice, but the whole thing is signed dejon. Adding the vice to the crime, dejon recognized that he had absorbed prohibited materials before propagating those alarming wrong information. This attempt to destabilize the Empire will benefit to our Northern neighbours who certainly finance the whole thing.
On that subject of finance, I recall that I have already noticed that the dejon family is eating squids every day, which no reasonably wealthy family can afford, considering the scandalous price the Squid Baron dare charge.


Well, I will make some more observation before ending my report. *

Señor Torquemada, I fear you have mistaken my words and intentions.

Originally posted by dejon
Oops, I must be on Banack or something.

This statement does not infer that I actually imbibed prohibited substances, but rather, that I made such a foolish mistake, that some may suspect I had.

And my intention in bringing up these strategic topics in the Diplomacy thread was to ensure that our Lord Togas and our trusted ambassadors are acting on all available information and perceptions before guiding down a diplomatic path that we will be on for generations.

Finally, as you can read here, the Dejon family do not eat squid.

Originally posted by dejon, in The Marketplace thread
As for Squid - ick. I didn't get big and strong eating stuff like that. I eat my wife's cooking - and she won't cook what she didn't raise and kill herself.

You must have seen someone else eating squid.

I do commend your diligence in Watching out for all of us though - Spain thanks you.

[DAVOUT]

Senor dejon,

You are fortunate that I have some sort of sympathy (although this word exceeds by far what I am actually able to feel) for people disliking squids as a diet.

If you have to explain again your behaviour in the future, never mention your intentions. I am basically watching what people do; if they do nothing, which is quite frequent amongst the nobles, I can tell you, I hear what they say. But what they think, or what their intentions are, I dont care at all.

[History Guy]

And finally, I am shocked at this "Watcher's" scurrilous remarks. Are two bones for a good sized platter of squid inflation? I think not. An average sized platter can be purchased at only one bone. How can this be inflation? Any man can afford it, sir, and I note that you have paid for squid every single day for the past one thousand two hundred years, and before that.

Scandalous, Torquemada? I suggest that it is your own unfounded remarks, and your attempt to deface notable members of Madridian society in the very Diplomacy Hut, an act unsanctioned by our Lord Despot, to be the real scandal here.

Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
Diplomat
Squid Baron

[Togas]

History Guy -- Contact ND and find out where their scout is going. Ask them to stay to the jungles and not to intrude into our heartland. Ask them if they wish to establish a border with our nation and to talk about an agreement on future settlement.

Also ask them about possible future technology deals and their relationship with their two neighbors.

jdjdjd -- Contact Lux and give them my great thanks for their offer to help us during our tense times with GoW. Let them know that we worked out a settlement with GoW and proceeded with our tech trade to them. Thank Lux for offering the backup deal to us. Let them know that we plan to trade them Alphabet + 25g for Iron Working, and tell him that you are working on the first draft of an alliance agreement right now.

--Togas

[adaMada]

For all it's worth, I think the tech alliance idea is a very good one -- the pros greatly outweigh the cons, and if we faciliate it as the coordinating nation, it'd make us much more valuable to the others -- meaning it'd be yet another political power we'd wield.

Togas,
Just to check -- my original post got lost above (this thread moves sooo fast ) -- do I go ahead and tell GoW what techs we have, considering they told us and asked for us to do the same in that controversial PM of several days ago?

-- adaMada

[Togas]

adaMada -- Go ahead and tell GoW what techs we have. They know, Ghengis offhandedly told me that he knows we only have Alphabet to trade, but it's a good gesture on our part to confirm with them what they "already know."

--Togas

[jdjdjd]

Originally posted by Togas
jdjdjd -- Contact Lux and give them my great thanks for their offer to help us during our tense times with GoW. Let them know that we worked out a settlement with GoW and proceeded with our tech trade to them. Thank Lux for offering the backup deal to us. Let them know that we plan to trade them Alphabet + 25g for Iron Working, and tell him that you are working on the first draft of an alliance agreement right now.
--Togas

So it is written, so it is done:

Trip, The Great and Honorable:

Togas, Supreme Leader of the Spanish, has given me the esteemed honor of thanking you for your willingness to assist The Spanish people during tense times with The People of Glory of War. A settlement was reached with Glory of War, and our trade with them was finalized. The Spanish People and The Great Togas do infinitely appreciate your back up offer, and are glad we have such a noble friend in the world.

The Great Togas would also like to confirm that it is España's intention to still trade The People of the Invincible Light the knowledge of the Alphabet and 25 gold in exhange for the knowledge of Iron Working.

Furthermore, the greate scribes of Spain are assisting me in the finalization of the Alliance Between the Great People of Lux Invicta and España. Once the document is complete, I will forward same on to you for your review.

I remain, your humble servant,

jdjdjd of España
Amabassador to Lux Invicta

[jdjdjd]

I think a tech trade plan is excellent - however - why write it down? why not pursue such tech trading and agreements informally and until they no longer assist us? No need to put shackles on any agreement.