Why I Hate Legoland

[Togas]

We don't have the production for war, and even if we build 4 knights, we'd lose them in the first conflict that we got into. The large stacks involved in this game demand that we have very large #s of pikes for defense, and soon the cannons and cavalry will arrive and render our defenses asunder unless we find saltpeter.

I agree, though, that we must talk to GS about future plans and possibilities.

I also STRONGLY agree that Arnelos should diplomatically give those Legoland ****ers our ultimatium.

And if they do fight GS, we give them endless WW. I'd like to see their democracy collapse.

--Togas

[Nuclear Winter]

I´d like to see their heads colapse from their bodies, but this unfortunately seems impossible :/ .
The F*ckers.... let me count, they disregarded a Favored Nation status, they ignored a mutual protection treaty... seems to be that diplomacy means even less when playing against humans. Sons of a b*tch.
I don´t know, it would be good to bloody them, but I really am not sure we can last long. Anyway, it has been a great pleasure to play with great people such as you. Great organizers like OliverFA, great leaders like Togas, skillfull diplomats like Arn, great generals like BigFree and Dejon, magnificent roleplayers like History Guy and Aidun, good chaps and lurkers like pikesfan and many others who went idle during this game... (we even have builders and road planners in here, like E_T and astrologix!) and many others whose names fail my weak memory right now.
Guys, it has been a pleasure to play this, now let us get ready for our final trip and cut as many b*tts as possible, leaving this situation as best as possible for GS, the only ones who honoured an agreement with us (these proud chickens of war!).
Avante España!!!

[OliverFA]

Hey Nuc, this isn't over yet... Never give up, never surrender!

But you bring an interesting point. If it's better for GS that we play a "kamikaze" role we could think about doing it. Anyway, I honestly believe that we are more useful for GS alive than dead. We just need to give up any hope that Lego will ever remotely come to our side, not wait a single minute to declare war to them. The longer we prolongue negotiations the more they win. Let's declare war with the next save, let's make them feel we are very serious. If they change their mind we can make peace. But now it's time to act!

I agree with king Togas that 4 knights won't be much useful right now. But what I was thinking about is to make a plan for the middle term. GS has landed some troops that will last a bit. We need to be prepared to reinforce them when their loses are big. We cannot think about great plans, but even if we can conquer/raze/defend one single city, this is one less city for GS to care about. Of course, coordinating this with GS would be even better.

And for our diplomats... I suggest that they devote their efforts to bring Vox to our side. We (GS/RP) have higher chances with them than with Lego. After all, if I'm not mistaken, GS treated Vox well when they lost. At Lego's side Vox will be not much, but at GS's side, Vox can be an active partner. For starting they can do 40 turn tech research like we are doing for them. And they can do also their little effort. I don't say that is liekly that they will switch sides, but I see the chances a lot higher that Lego will ever do something remotely good for us.

[OliverFA]

(continuation from the last post)

I don't know how many troops Lego have in Bob, but I really doubt they can have much troops. And even if they have much troops, their ships have to do a longer trip than GS's troops to reinforce them.

I think this can be a chance for the rebirth of Spain. We will win... or we will die in the fight. But they will not have us easily. How many of we thought that Pamplona would stand? But she is still alive and well! This is a prove that we have a chance, which is better than nothing.

[Fibrizzo]

Arnelos, I like your idea!

If GS doesn't attack then we have lost. I suppose Lego is afraid of GS taking over the north... GS could become too powerful for them.

I say: death to GoW! after that death to ND! and finally death to Lego!!!!

[astrologix]

I support all your war and diplomatic ideas, guys

No surrender ! Death to GoW/ND/Lego

[MrWhereItsAt]

So has Lego been actively helping GoW the whole time?

If so, then, to butcher a saying: the friend of my enemy is my enemy.

[MrWhereItsAt]

So has Lego been actively helping GoW the whole time?

If so, then, to butcher a saying: the friend of my enemy is my enemy.

As someone who is really puzzled about everything, and not yet angry, I would really like to talk to vonD about everything. This is likely just me dreaming, though.

[OliverFA]

I honestly think that "negotiations" with Lego can be maintained despite us declaring war next turn. Even more, I think that our war declaration will show that we are serious and improve our position in the negotiations table.

Right now, our relation with Lego has been lots of talking but absolutely no actions. They have had plenty of chances to show us their good willings and have failed to do. On the contrary, the facts prove that they are acting against us. The peition to GS of not attacking GoW homeland is a direct attack against us. If GS don't attack we cannot win the war. So, why give them still a chance, a hope?

If you have followed my posts from the beginning of the game you will know by now that I am not a warmonger type, but now it's the only way to go. Our only chance to survive, or to die with honour and dignity.

DIE LEGO DIE!!!

[History Guy]

Those filthy swine. Well, we're dead anyway, so I would declare war on the bounders. Yes, I know that we haven't the slightest chance of surviving. We probably won't make it to 1000 AD. After all we have done for those vile savages, their betrayal makes my blood boil. I have only one arm, it is true, and my body is covered with wounds, but I would fight those traitors until they had drained every drop of blood from this old body.

Lord Toledo
A Man of Spain

[Nuclear Winter]

1000 AD... the year by wich our mutual protection pact should expire... how ironic that lego disregarded it all from the start.

[Aidun]

I'll try to have one more talk to them, this is really weird. I was cordial towards Lego after all failed efforts and empty promisses, but this is amazing. I'm not the man to declare war on them, not even at this stage, because it will lead to our downfall.
I'll do my best for one more talk in which they have to assure me that they take back what they did and in which I will warn them to not so openly show their alliance to GoW and ND.
I want a blank cheque of Legoland that they will not harm any troops of our alliance and anything less is not enough. I want them to allow us or GS to declare war if we think such an action is needed to achieve our goal of attacking GoW's or ND's ownings. With anything less I will not be satisfied.

Diomingo Cian
"How sad that I have to see these things happen at my old age."

[OliverFA]

We have been (maybe we still are) in our downfall. Our only chances to survive pass by spoiling Legoland as much as we can.

[Togas]

Needless to say, I hate Vondrack and he hates me. After I mentioned in the forum that he hates us more than half of GoW he wrote me a bitter PM, I wrote him back, he wrote me, I wrote him back ...

Anyhow. In the midst of it all my point is that his and my animosity is the problem between our nations and that I would agree to quit if he also quit.

He continues to argue that his personal feelings have nothing to do with Legoland foreign policy, but he also said:

I do not know who it is telling you things from our forum, but there was and is not a single Legosupporting "making friends with RP again" (and to prevent misunderstanding: it's not a matter of "hatred" anymore, but a matter of having ties and relations with other teams that do not really allow making friends with you again, or at least not now). Frankly, we do not care what happens to you... if you die, you die. If you survive in Northern Stormia or some part of Bob, you survive there. We care not. It's GoW, ND, & GS we care about. Those are our competitors and those are the teams we adjust our foreign policy to.

note: He bolded those words in his PM.

Take it as you will, but I need to know for myself that there were legolanders who were in favor of reestablishing ties. I told him that flat out. Please tell me that I was right and that he's a d*ck.

--Togas

[BigFree]

I rember reading that there were Lego's "saying" that they were in favor...but those could have been just diplomatic lies to appease whom ever attempted to get Lego to see our side of things. That said, each team is doing whateverit can to see if they can't win this game. The only exceptions to this is that it seems GoW, along with Vox, is set to help Lego win and RP is set to help GS win. ND is still trying to win it for themselves but they won't since GoW is aligned with Lego. I don't see things changing much over time. Unless GS charges ahead and attacks with good luck against GoW and Lego in the North of Bob, then they don't have a chance to win either. Lego is going to win this thing and we are not a player in this at this time.