Why I Hate Legoland

[Togas]

the following was forwarded to met from Cort Haus of Gathering Storm:

Dear Gathered Storms,

Seems there is a breakthrough decision lying ahead both of us and you
in the game. We feel we should make it clear where we stand and what
our intentions are with respect to the current situation. Considering
all the fuss and ill will about past public "manifests", we would like
to let you know in private only.

We are sending you our "message" in two versions. Both basically mean
the very same, but side by side, they probably better fit the purpose
of conveying a "serious message" in a "game played for fun".

First, the version "with a British foreign office slant" (as redstar1,
its author, put it):

Our dearest chums of Gathering Storm,

After having a chat with some of the chaps across the sea, its been
pointed out that you have a jolly large force somewhere near
Yellowknife.

Far be it for us to interfere but we have to say that we aren't quite
tip-top with the idea of you having a picnic so close to GoW's back
yard. In fact, we are afraid to say that its really just not on old
boy.

We do believe that we still have a common interest as well as a
lucrative trade deal. Were you to start a bit of a scrap up north then
we would really have to rethink. I'm sure you understand we can't
really do deals with anyone we don't think is sound.

In short, we'd like you to have a think about the old gameplan. If you
want a cup of tea and a chat just let us know.

Yours Imperiously,
Lego

And the more "formal" version that would, sent alone, probably sound
harsher than we'd intend it to sound.

Honourable Nation of Gathering Storm,

It has been brought to our attention that a strong force of your War
Chicken in full arms just recently landed on the Eastern coast of Bob,
roughly South of Yellowknife.

Although we can naturally not be sure about the plans and intentions
of your generals, we feel the only reason for such a force to land
there would be an attack at the "homeland" cities of GoW and ND.

We are sorry to inform you that if such an attack was to happen or
become imminent, we would consider it an act threatening Legoland's
long-term interests, and as such would cause our nations to enter the
state of war, with the inevitable consequences for our current trade
deals, with no further warning.

Respectfully,
The Senate of Legoland

We would like to stress that our position at the moment is driven by
our long-term goals and plans, not by any grudges we'd hold against
your team. Under different circumstances, we might find ourselves on
your side of the barricade.

Legoland

[Togas]

[rant]
If I could get my hands around the neck of one of these Legoland *******s I'd squeeze so tight that his cheese-filled little head popped off.

This goddamned war has nothing to do with their "long term interests" if they were smart enough to just play both sides, stay neutral, and win the game on their own from their peaceful island paradise. Instead, they seem to think that since Vondrack has promised to be GoW's *****es, they have to do whatever Vondrack says.

If they get involved and RP/GS lose this war, it's going to be only Legoland, ND, and GoW. When all of the enemies are dead, allies turn against each other.

Maybe Legoland thinks they can get tight with GoW and beat ND. If they think that, they're stupid. ND is the smarter and more powerful of the two, and GoW knows it. GoW has already sold their soul to ND. When this war is over, they're going to side with their lord and masters, not with the blockheads from overseas.

I hate legoland. I think I hate them more now than GoW.

--Togas

[Togas]

sent the following to GS:

Cort Haus,

This is the most infuriating thing I have read in months. The only way this war can be won is if we bring the war to the homes of the enemy.

This threat by Legoland cannot deter GS, but it is more than troubling, it's absurd. Legoland's "long term interests" don't mean a damn thing to us, and if they cause any further problems we will happily declare war on them and remain in a state of war with them until our very last city is destroyed.

Let those short-sighted, sniveling, arrogant blockheads rot in their own war weariness.

We remain at the ready to do whatever we can to help.

--Togas

[BigFree]

Screw peace! GS need to just go around Lego forces or confront them. I think Lego is basically bluffing to give GoW more time to prepare for this landing that so surprised them. Lego still wants this war to end in a draw, but I fear that they think GS has the upperhand with this Northern landing. This is the time for GS to act and not to cower. GS'es homeland cannot be in danger; they are simply to powerful for that.

[Togas]

Please read the exchange in the Diplomacy thread between myself and Arrian.

Arrian believes they cannot beat the Lego forces in the north and fears setting off their GA in the process ... which is probably what Lego actually wants.

--Togas

[BigFree]

Cab they send some screen shots? What kind of forces do Lego have up North? If GS is just going to give up on saving RP and going after GoW and ND, then they have lost the game. Ther's no way in hell GS can compete against 3 teams. Their only chance is to help us regain our part of Bob and for them to settle down South in it as well.

If they back off from the confrontation now, the game is over for both RP as GS.

[Togas]

If they don't back off, the game is over too. If they fight Legoland, GoW, AND ND at the same time, they won't win.

Let's be honest. We cannot fight GOW or ND. We don't have the firepower to do it. GS has to split their power between protecting us and fighting ND/GoW/Lego. It's a battle they probably can't win.

But then again, is there any hope for either of us to win? At this point, with Legoland, GoW, and ND so closely aligned the game is decided.

Call me a pessimist, but I'm very close to requesting that we call the game and end this hatefest. It started out as a fun game, but it's stagnated into an unwinable situation with the locked alliances.

--Togas

[BigFree]

Instead of calling it, lets have GS test the RNG. They may get lucky for a round or two. War Weariness may start to hurt GoW and ND. There are many reasons to keep up the good fight.

How much can Lego fight? How many units do they have on Bob? How does GS know it's not a bluff?

[Arnelos]

I doubt that Legoland is after their GA here... Legoland's GA would be more easily achieved through wonders.

Legoland (or at least Vondrack and company) really are of the opinion that they need to help GoW in this war.

It's an open question whether we (RP and GS) want to confront Legoland and face their forces in the north or whether we want to try to fight to a stalemate in the south.

I'm tempted to play the line that we (RP) inform Legoland that it is our intention that if they at any point attack GS forces in the north, RP and GS will cancel all luxury deals with Legoland and declare war upon her, a war which for RP Team will last in perpetuity, preventing Legoland from maintaining a Democratic or Republican government for as long as an RP city remains anywhere on the board.

Legoland can choose whether or not to interfere in this war or not. If they choose to fight for Glory of War, they can accept the consequences of that decision. If they remain neutral, we can continue to respect their neutrality.

This potential course of action would of course need to be discussed with Gathering Storm before we embarked on it. That said, I think it's time we let Legoland know that if they're going to actively assist Glory of War in the war, we can no longer afford to respect their neutrality. It's time to play hardball.

[Arnelos]

As for other things, I'm back in circulation. I'd be more than willing to be the one to, as diplomatically as possible, deliver the news to Legoland if we plan to offer them that threat and carry through on it should Legoland militarily involve themselves in the war.

btw.... we desperately need to set up a chat with Gathering Storm to discuss both this issue and the overall military situation.

[BigFree]

A hardline approach to Lego....

I wonder what I've been saying all these weeks...

[BigFree]

I'll also bet that Lego is near to finishing the Sistine and they are not really so concerned with Luxes anymore, GoW and ND have likely promised them all on Bob.

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by Arnelos
I'm tempted to play the line that we (RP) inform Legoland that it is our intention that if they at any point attack GS forces in the north, RP and GS will cancel all luxury deals with Legoland and declare war upon her, a war which for RP Team will last in perpetuity, preventing Legoland from maintaining a Democratic or Republican government for as long as an RP city remains anywhere on the board.

Legoland is playing very rude and they have played unfairly during all the game. They have deceived us, pretending that they were neutral while they were helping GoW and ND. They give no choice but to play as rude as them. They have a lot more to lose in a perpetual war than us.

Also, if GS don't attack on GoW/ND homeland, GS cannot win the game. So their only chance is to try. I really doubt that Lego has so big war force, and even if they have such force, their continent is farter than Estonia. They simply cannot bring reinforcements as quickly as GS, even if they produce them.

I say that before giving up we try at least to spoil them. Let's go to world war and see what happens.

[BigFree]

Originally posted by OliverFA

I say that before giving up we try at least to spoil them. Let's go to world war and see what happens.

Most definately. The game is lost to Lego/GoW/ND otherwise.

[OliverFA]

Also, remember that ND Golden Age is over. One less thing to care about. We really should ask GD to let us horses during one turn and build knights to attack ND and get back some (many or few) cities or at least destroy them.

Also, we could build a settler in Barcelona and build a city inside our current borders, using GS building patterns. Barcelona is not growing anyway and we will have another production center. We should become something like berserk warmongers. We should live only for war.