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**OliverFA** · October 11, 2003, 08:06

If I understand correctly, during the chat the idea of uniting the 4 nations (GS, RP, ND and GoW) against Lego is suggested. It would probably work if it were possible. Honestly I don't belive that GoW or ND can be trusted to that point. Our "alliance" would be too weak and have too many internal issues to be successful. And on the other hand, which paper would we play with just a few cities? Of course that's just my opinion.

I agree much more on the idea of attacking Lego if we defeat ND and GoW. After all they deserve it for the way they have been treating us.

**Aidun** · October 11, 2003, 10:00

It is not an idea to stop this war and form a Grand Alliance of GS, GoW, ND and RP with the single purpose of weakening Lego so it is no longer a threat, it is a possibility, like there is another possibility that one of the alliances wins (hopefully ours).

It are options and nothing more.

But to me and to Arnelos and BigFree too, it seemed interesting to write down some optional scenarios. Lego is a big threat to the entire world and during this war we have to keep that in mind. Sooner or later, rather sooner, we will face an advanced Lego.

It is not likely that Lego will use its eventually technically better developped army to invade other continents, they are too less imperialistic for that, but staying ahead of everybody will make them win.

Aidun

**OliverFA** · October 11, 2003, 10:26

As builders they probably will prepare their continent terribly well to stand an invasion. It would be very hard but very interesting to attack them!

On the other hand, if our alliance wins the war, invading Lego is the most logical option.

**Aidun** · October 11, 2003, 17:08

It is our only option to win because Lego is a lot more advanced. I believe that even if Lego would gift us all technology they would have by that time, they will still win simply because they have a lot more improvements than we have.

This is why I think that World War I, the war with Lego will start on the day that this war ends.

Aidun

**Nuclear Winter** · October 11, 2003, 20:00

If lego is smart they are building thousands of fortresses and boats and units. They also know when this is over there will be a gap of time where they will be vunerable and open to attack and that the world will rush to take advantage of it.

**GodKing** · October 13, 2003, 16:54

Worse comes to worse - ICBM and tac-nuke them. There will be a short gap - very short - where we should be able to catch up technologically towards the middle or end of the industrial period - many researching and trading vs only one. We will have a short time period to gather and launch several nukes against their cities and infrastructure. It will be a last resort of course, but without a lot of their population they may not be able to research all the needed tech and build the spaceship parts.

I see the war on bob ending in the near future. We will have to take risks and ignore our own old cities and go for the jugular..... one of these days, I will look at a save again and help out with a battle plan.

**Arnelos** · October 14, 2003, 16:57

I have had a long chat with OPD of Gathering Storm in which I have informed him of some of this information. We have continued discussion on my idea for how we could build a GS-RP-Lego alliance agianst GoW and have a treaty for the end-of-war situation that is workable for all involved parties, including giving additional land to Vox Conroli.

The next step is to talk to ZargonX from Legoland again to see how things progress there and to inform him that Gathering Storm seems (for now) very receptive to the idea for a builder endgame following the stomping of Glory of War (since they would never live peaceably in a builder endgame).

The delay of the game may be just what we need to string this together...

**Arnelos** · October 15, 2003, 01:02

Had another chat with ZargonX:

- I attempted to impress upon him the direness of our situation
- I imparted to him that we now believe GoW and ND will strike us at Pamplona with a very large force of riders in the next few turns.
- I told him that if Pamplona falls to a wave of Riders and Ansar Warriors, RP Team will be unable to hold its front and the collapse of that front might seriously damage GS's attempt to continue its hold on a piece of Bob, granting the entire continent to ND and GoW
- ZargonX reports that discussion has been somewhat active in their chat channel, but that their forum has been somewhat dead. He is going to attempt to rekindle as much discussion as he can on this (or so he claims)
- ZargonX said that their number one fear is a 2-civ Bob, "a scary prospect".
- I made it clear that if GoW and ND take Pamplona with this next wave that's coming, a 2-civ Bob is very very very near. The only good way to avoid that is to help us before it hits.
- What we think Lego has best to offer, should they believe it is in their own interests to do prevent a 2-civ Bob, is technology. RP Team, for our sake, is in such a dire situation that we'd be willing to accept any such aid with little regard for the impact of "cost" on our chances for "winning" the game, as that's already long since been shot.
- I told ZargonX that I had spoken with Gathering Storm about GS offering Legoland incense. (I need to chat with GS again about not giving them said incense for free, of course... they only get it as part of an agreement to aid us... at the minimum with gunpowder, once they're willing to admit they have it, of course).
- ZargonX says that they have largely abolished the "Presidency" and gone to a consensus system. The members of this group that are reliably active are ZargonX, Kloreep, Sharpe, vondrack, Tiberius, and Redstar. Nimitz, Rendelnep, and Nuclear Master come in and out.

Exceptionally little accomplished, but that's mostly because, as ZargonX was sure to point out to me, they now operate on a "consensus system", which basically means all decisions are made by committee and nothing will ever get decided quickly or efficiently. It's a damn good thing this game is stalled or we'd never hear back from them in time to do anything useful. I pointed out to ZargonX that hte stall int eh game offers a PERFECT opportunity to hash out what they need to in their forum and actually figure out what their policy is and get back to us so we can work something concrete out (though I was rather polite, of course...).

I'll keep you guys updated if I hear anything back from ZargonX, but I'm not going to trust that he's going to do this alone, especially with what I'm sure is his rather aloof disposition.

Aidun, ANY help you can provide by working on Sharpe, Kloreep, or others from Legoland in the Tabemono team, DO IT.

Anyone else who has reason to run into others from Legoland, just casually chat with them about how we're likely to get wiped out and ND and GoW claim all of Bob to themselves... perhaps even march toward winning the game by force of arms, unless we get some help here to put them back in their cage... The fact that GoW IS SO CONFIDENT of victory that they are openly bragging about it should be seen as a sign that Legoland should think twice about remaining aloof. GoW violated an alliance to attack us, no-one should be foolish enough to believe they wouldn't do it again.

As for me... I talk to Nuclear Master in AIM on occassion, so I'll certainly try to get him back involved in Legoland and on our side. BigFree, he's on your team in the PTWDG2, if you can work on him, that would be great. I'll also send PMs to Nimitz and Spiffor... see if I can get them active in Legoland again, since I know both of them are back on Apolyton these days (Nimitz lurks about and Spiffor posts in the C3C speculation areas).

Any other casual chatting you guys can do with these guys and make the case that Glory of War and Neu Demogyptica are on the verge of claiming all of Bob for themselves and having craploads of UU's left over to invade another continent, do it.

Please report anything you are told or any progress here.

**Aidun** · October 15, 2003, 07:49

The PM I received from Sharpe:

Hi Aidun,

I have talked with the other moderates on Lego and they wanted to remain neutral at this time. Some mentioned that they want to see how the expected upcoming battle will turn out.

I did try to persuade them that we should try to trade gunpowder to both you and GS; however, again they wanted to wait on that.

In other words, don't count for much if any help - it is probably not coming from Lego. I don't agree with this situation, but I would clearly be outvoted on it.

I guess this isn't good news - sorry about that - I hope that I didn't get your hopes up too much for help. Maybe the random number gods will be in your favour...

However, they did indicate that once the war was over that things would possibly be reevaluated.

Regards

Aidun

**Arnelos** · October 15, 2003, 15:47

Alright, we pull out all the stops... people, contact people from Lego and work on them... they need to understand that we may lose ALL OF BOB if they don't help us. That's our story and we're sticking to it when talking with Lego.

**MrWhereItsAt** · October 17, 2003, 10:45

Why should Lego care what happens on Bob, at this stage? Even if we were swept away, they know GS is rival enough for ND/GoW that they would have less to fear there than GS.

**Arnelos** · October 17, 2003, 13:20

MrWIA,

Lego cares a lot more because GS has no source of saltpeter. That means that if ND and GoW get all of Bob, GS can't relyably stop them from invading Stormia and they certainly have more than enough force to invade Lego as well... Lego has many reasons to be worried about an ND/GoW victory over Bob.

**OliverFA** · October 17, 2003, 14:09

Regent Arnelos, you are right that Lego should care about what happens in the Bob war, but I'm afraid that what they should do and what they will do is a different thing. The History shows that Lego has never played an important role in foreign affairs, other than making deals that ultimately gave them some benefit. It's a very good idea to warn them about what could happen because I bet that they haven't even checked the maps of the other two continents and seen that GS don't have saltpeter.

**History Guy** · October 18, 2003, 16:12

Errr...Oliver...actually, they have...

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