30AD (29): Orders, Results, Discussion

[Togas]

post away, this is the year of our Lord!

[GodKing]

Sorry I missed the previous turn.
Thanks for teh save.

I have a reco - this turn we heal, then next we move that wonderful army west with plans to take out that new little ND city, then march north.

Our old cities, ignore them for a bit. Better to take out ND core cities. And that we can do as they just left their whole flank exposed with our massicre of their little MI band of hethenistic bums.

All of course depends on where we next spot a pile of Ansars...

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by GodKing
Our old cities, ignore them for a bit. Better to take out ND core cities. And that we can do as they just left their whole flank exposed with our massicre of their little MI band of hethenistic bums.

That looks very reasonable, since their production centers are their cities, not the ones they've just conquered from us. Of couse as GK says it all depends on where their forces will appear next turn.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by GodKing
Sorry I missed the previous turn.
Thanks for teh save.

I have a reco - this turn we heal, then next we move that wonderful army west with plans to take out that new little ND city, then march north.

Our old cities, ignore them for a bit. Better to take out ND core cities. And that we can do as they just left their whole flank exposed with our massicre of their little MI band of hethenistic bums.

All of course depends on where we next spot a pile of Ansars...

I really like this plan... the only problems I forsee are:

1. They are now in their GA and may even be able to produce/rush some Ansars by the time we can reach into their territory.

2. GoW still has a large force of riders not far from Mavdad. Should ND allow them to use ND's road network, it's POSSIBLE that GoW could decimate any attack force we sent against ND.

3. Our lack of mobility on offense could be a killer. If we start moving north into ND territory at 1 tile per turn, Ansar warriors can easily turn around and overtake us, moving on roads (9 tiles per turn) or open territory (3 tiles per turn).

That said, this is certainly worth looking at. If we can raze even a single ND city before they catch and cut down our forces, it MIGHT be worth the loss of our force. We should definately discuss it with GS, at the least.

[Hot Mustard]

Originally posted by GodKing
Sorry I missed the previous turn.
Thanks for teh save.

I have a reco - this turn we heal, then next we move that wonderful army west with plans to take out that new little ND city, then march north.

Our old cities, ignore them for a bit. Better to take out ND core cities. And that we can do as they just left their whole flank exposed with our massicre of their little MI band of hethenistic bums.

All of course depends on where we next spot a pile of Ansars...

This is unwise. ND still has a good number of Ansars within reach of our capital. We must deal with them before marching north, or its game over for us.

[Togas]

The power of the Ansar is that they can strike us and run away. We will never be able to attack an Ansar unless it first attacks us and ends it's movement.

We do not have enough pikes to protect our stack of infantry and if we leave Zaragoza, the Ansar army in Leon could take Zaragoza.

I want to force them to come to us. I want to force them to attack us in our fortified cities with all of the defensive bonuses on our side.

We cannot march on them until we have Chivalry AND we have a stack of units so large not even their Ansars can dent it.

--Togas

[BigFree]

I think marching against Leon is a good idea right now. It's only protected by Ansars, lets get to it before they get Pikes in there.

[Togas]

I will not march our troops into the open fields to be slaughtered by Ansars, who will then run away and hide elsewhere to heal. Even if we withstand their first assault and move into Leon, we will then be far too weak to protect Leon, and will have spread our forces too thin.

We DO NOT have the numbers to fight head to head with the Ansar warriors. It is suicide, and we would take more losses than the Arabs. With them in their GA and our eastern cities in GS protective custody, we must bide our time, for THEM to sacrifice more units than us, and force them to charge against our walls or fall into our traps. We fight only when it suits us and when the odds are in our favor. Because in a head to head fight with Ansars we will lose.

--Togas

[BigFree]

Let me explain it better.

I'm assuming Leon has a max of 6 Ansars there.

If we march to Leon with 5 Pikes and 8 MI and 5 Cats we can withstand the assault by the Ansars losing 3-5 Pikes. The cats can then weaken them a bit and the MI's will attack. Will will not likey need more than 5 MI's to clear out Leon, including the retreating Ansars. Once the city belongs to us the remaining MI's can travel through the city, on a road and then attack any Ansars that retreated. If we were to trade an MI for an Ansar, we will win. Ansars cost 70 shields; MI's cost 40.

The next target would then be the 'temp' city they erected next to Zara; but that's another story for later

[History Guy]

I like Libre's plan, Milord. We have little choice as it is. We stand far more of a chance to lose in open battle in Zaragossa than we do in a counter-offensive that throws them off guard. But, perhaps we should wait in Zaragossa until they've exhausted themselves in further attacks. The worst possibility, however, is that our wait gives them more time to bring up further troops.

If we do attack, we must hit Leon and take it, and pray to God it doesn't get razed. Then, we strike and destroy their little fortress and take out that base of power before it becomes their foot-hold.

Lord Toledo

[Togas]

If Leon has more than 6 Ansars ... 8, 10, or perhaps even 12+ due to reinforcments over these past few turns, our stack is toast, our catapults cannot safely retreat in one turn, and our war will be shortly over.

A lot depends on if the Arabs put Ansars in their galleys and if they have sent additional Ansars into Leon in the past 2 turns (plus this turn) that they have held it.

--Togas

[Fibrizzo]

That plan sounds good, I'd like to see Leon free of those infidels. But, how do we know that there are max 6 Ansars in Leon?. If we take that city we'll have to defend it, it's the same situation as before the gifting, unless we give it to GS...

[OliverFA]

That's true. It's not only about reconquering the city. It is also about keeping it. If we are not able to defend it yet then it's better to let them attack and be the one that risk their forces.

[CiverDan]

Attacking Leon at this stage would at least as foolish as ND sticking their MI's next to Zaragoza. The only attack plan i would consider is their "temp" city. We would be able to use the forest for protection. But not until the ansar stack is neutralized so that it cant effectively attack more of our cities.

[Hot Mustard]

Part of the problem is the lame MP battle system. Even if they do finally attack Zaragoza or Pamplona, we will not know how many Ansars they attacked with.