30AD (29): Orders, Results, Discussion

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by dejon
Part of the problem is the lame MP battle system. Even if they do finally attack Zaragoza or Pamplona, we will not know how many Ansars they attacked with.

Thats as ridiculous as not being able to know where their troops have gone when the leave our line of sight. Something's got to give

[Fibrizzo]

That's a double edged sword: They don't know the true strength of our attacking forces, unless they can spy our cities...

[BigFree]

Hmm, maybe we can pay Vox or Lego to Spy Leon?

[Nuclear Winter]

Should I contact Vox About this?
If the Lego ambassdor is busy I could do it too, I´ve been talking a lot to those green guys lately

[History Guy]

If Vox even has enough gold to do so, I'd like to see it done.

Crumbs. Did anyone else notice that Shiber is refering openly to images posted on Togas's website?!

[civman2000]

I think he was referring to the pictures of Togas at http://www.geocities.com/soho/lofts/1240/pictures.html. There are no links from Togas's main page (www.geocities.com/tom_ogas) to the Spain page so I doubt it will ever be discovered.

[Hot Mustard]

The save is here.

The good news - Zaragoza is still ours.

The bads news - it will most likely fall next turn. Also, Bilbao has been destroyed.

The brave defenders of Zaragoza must have fought a valiant fight.

The survivors:
3 MedInf (2/5, 3/4, 1/4)
1 Cat
3 Horseman (all 4/4)

Due SW of the city:
1 Pike (4/4)
2 MedInf (2/4, 3/4)
5 Ansars (1/5, 2/4, 2/4, 3/4, 3/4)

Due SW, W of the city:
2 Pikes (4/4, 4/4)
2 MedInf (4/4, 3/3)
2 Ansars (1/4, 1/4)

There is also what appears to be a reinforcement Ansar in their jungle fort city.

Since that is 8 Ansars that we can see, and I don't think ND could have gotten a slow unit into Leon yet - I think ND brought all they had to the fight, and left Leon empty. I'm assuming there is at least a couple of Ansars on those galleys, which would be a turn away from landing at Sevilla now.

I'd like our analysts to inspect the battle ground. What can we surmise about the battle that took place? How much do they know about the remaining forces in Zaragoza?

With the ND forces further north now, we can move an offensive force out of Pamplona northward. If they take Zaragoza, we can attack it in another 2 turns. The key is to limit their movement, which might mean retaking Leon. We can scout the city by moving the spear by Salamanca onto the mountain north of it. If they have left it open we have much more to discuss.

Of the top of my head, an option to consider may be to empty Zaragoza and have those units join a stack from Pamplona - muster our forces, as it were. This depends on how much damage we can really expect the remaining (weak and weakened) units in Zaragoza to do against a second attack.

If there are Ansars headed for Sevilla and the southern cities, they will almost certainly be lost. We do have an alternative though - they are all size 2 cities - we could build settlers and run. Some of the settlers and their escorts will be caught, but others may escape long enough for us to send aid. This would have to be decided this turn though.

Since the GoW invaders to the east have destroyed Bilbao, they will have taken the road we built (oops) straight to Toledo. That was 14 Riders last I counted - does GS have enough to stop that force next turn?

To my recollection, GS has:
3 Knights
3 MedInf
4 Cats
4 Pikes
+ any more Knights they can unload in their new port city they'll build next turn, which could just barely get to Toledo.

That's it for now, I have to turn in. I'm working at a client site tomorrow and won't be available until after dinner.

[Togas]

Shots of both the east and west fronts are posted on the Spain webpage.

Turn will be played tomorrow night, in chat.

--Togas

[OliverFA]

I have an idea. Looking at the save it looks like the forces at Zaragoza are lost in any case. So, why don't send a horse to Leon and see if it is unguarded and we can recapture it? We will prevent them from using the road tiles around Leon, and they won't know how big was the force that recaptured Leon. Maybe we could scare them!

Oh, and if we arrive and find that Leon is well guarded... Well, this horse was almost lost in any case. But I think it is an option worth to try.

I would also kill the damm scout. The less information they have the better for us.

[OliverFA]

Yes, this idea looks a lot like what was previously said in this thread I would be completely against sending a full force to attack Leon, but provided those forces are lost in any case, I think we can aford to lose a horse in the worst case and buy some time meanwhile.

http://www.arrakis.es/~oliverfa/WarmongeroftheWarmongers30ad.sav

[OliverFA]

Also a minor comment. I think it would be good to move the Pikes of the Iron Cross South and the Red Zealots N so they can protect each other.

[History Guy]

Where are the Egyptians? How close to the coast are they? They had best draw near, as Toledo is about to burn. Damnable, this. There are over 60,000 Spanish souls in that city, and they will all die or be enslaved if the Egyptians don't get a move on.

Lord Toledo

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by History Guy
Where are the Egyptians? How close to the coast are they? They had best draw near, as Toledo is about to burn. Damnable, this. There are over 60,000 Spanish souls in that city, and they will all die or be enslaved if the Egyptians don't get a move on.

Lord Toledo

The bulk of the Egyptian forces already on land are (I believe) 2 tiles from Toledo by roads. They will be in the city and fortified before GoW can attack. The rest of the GS forces are on galleys 2-3 tiles offshore, but knights on the galleys can also be inside Toledo before GoW attacks because the temp city will be founded, GS will enter with their galleys and unload their knights, and the temp city is 6 tiles by roads to Toledo!

So the GS army is capable of being in position before the GoW army can attack the city. Best of all, GoW will have no idea how many troops are actually inside Toledo and will only be able to find out by attacking since both GoW and ND are now in-game at war with GS and cannot spend yet more money on intelligence (unless Lego helps them....).

So things are not as dire as they might seem on that front.

[History Guy]

Thank God.

[GodKing]

Time of tonights chat?