Draft of GoW-RP Alliance Treaty

[mrmitchell]

I still think we should ask them how we were "overlooked" in the raffle for Chivalry...and as a sign of good faith, they give it to us "to help us fight ND."

However, Arn, thank you for clearing that up. I, too, felt better of it after I slept on it, but we're still giving them something: confirmation. We're confirming that we will attack ND when (I use the term loosely, I don't mean the same turn) they attack ND. Thus they have more confidence that any of a variety of backstabs will work.

However, it's going to be hard for them to backstab us if they follow through with the map sharing etc.

But the most important thing we need to do diplomatically right now is get Chivalry.

Play to Lego that it's just a pact, no plotting. I don't know if we can still do that, but just tell them this treaty is just a pact and we're not plotting anything. We don't want to break Lego's trust on this, we need to be the pacifistic self-defenders we had wanted Lego to believe we were.

[Togas]

Read this PM from Unorthodox (also posted in Diplo thread). It adds an interesting wrinkle, but ultimately adds credibility to the notion that GoW is going to attack ND:

Well,

Certainly.

The timeframe is urgent due to one simple fact. Ansars are cheaper than Riders. And, while creative pillaging initially allowed us to create more horses than anyone thinks we could upgrade, we are now out of money and are producing the more expensive Riders. Hiding our strength a bit by not upgrading yet.

We likely have a number advantage now, that will dissolve the longer we wait and into the GA.

I admit that we have not handled this whole thing with you properly up to now, and you are not prepared for an offensive.

As I was saying, our backstab plan calls for a two front assault just from us. Two sizeable fronts. I can't give specifics until an agreement is signed, of course.

However, you are prepared for defense, perhaps simply declaring war with us and building up while we are the initial attack would work fine. If you are right and ND is focused south, it would take them a few turns to move north, or split forces sooner, perhaps making your road easier in the process.

UnOrthOdOx

It appears that we are a distraction for ND, however, ND may well be massing troops to attack us thanks to the deceptive diplomacy of GoW.

This is what I would do if I were GoW: I would tell ND that I'm attacking RP, send troops along the eastern corridor, keep horsemen in reserve to upgrade JUST before the strike, and hope that they move their troops to the south.

I'd ideally attack them after they attacked RP, or I'd attack them as soon as my units were in the best possible tactical range.

What reassures me the most about the PM is Unorthodox's acceptance that we would, initially, just declare war on ND and NOT IMMEDIATELY ATTACK. This is what we want. We'll see clear proof that ND and GoW are in conflict before we risk our troops.

--Togas

[civman2000]

[quoteThe backstab potential is simple - they get us feeling all comfortable with an alliance treaty, and then attack us, hoping that we started moving our units towards our ND front.[/quote]
Attack us?? Do they really want our cities? Do we want theirs? Why would they make any serious attempt to attack us until ND is finished off?

[BigFree]

They wouldn't civman2000, for it is not loical nor is it even near what would be in GoW's best intersets.

To answer another question earlier of why didn't GoW offer us Chiv at a reasonable rate; they wanted ND to feel secure in the faux plan of a GoW/ND Alliance aganst RP. If GoW does not sell Chiv to RP then they look trustworthy to ND. Hence the backstabbing of ND will be much easier to accomplish.

I agree that we should mae it a part of the alliance that GoW gives us Chiv and we give it Iron (if they still need it.)

[Arnelos]

I've said this in chat already... the key for what ND can do is to find that stack of GoW horsemen (1 defense, baby!) and attack them with Ansar Warriors in a surprise Ansar Rush.

Then GoW's horseman stack goes down to defeat and all they have left is a stack of 10 riders on completely the wrong side of the continent. Glory of War will be 100% powerless to stop ND from pillaging their territory, though GoW can use their 10 riders to seriously damage ND in return... which would help our invasion of ND.