Should we offer Iron to Vox?

[BigFree]

Yes or No.

Please discuss thoroughly first before voting.

[GodKing]

I say no (but vote Banana at this time) as it will significantly hurt our relationship with GS, and as I see no benifit to us for doing so.

[BigFree]

I say yes for all the reasons that we don't want GS to grown unhindered. I believe that we have the capacity, without hurting ourselves, to help Vox in the current situation.

GS will have RP as it's next target no matter what.

We are relatively close to them, we have a larger land mass than them and can grow to out produce them. They would want to attack us before we reached that point. We are slowly getting are cities up to a good production level after having REXed in order to secure land rather than provide for low waste/low corruption. That is changing slowly right now, but GS will do everthing to reverse that process whether we give Iron to Vox or not. They have publically stated that we are a threat to them in the long run! , We are!

So we give Iron to Vox in order to slow GS's roll towards us, if they have to concentrate on Vox, even with our help, it delays and wastes resouces that GS has on Vox/RP/GoW instead of just RP in the future. Lego has promised to continue it's AID to Vox and will even offer some to us in return for our taking the brunt of GS'es anger for our giving Vox Iron.

Not to metion that GoW is still in this, they want GS gone as bad as anyone else does. ND might even come onboard, I'm actually a little hopeful that that will happen. It would be a "Bobian" thing to do.

[Thud]

Yes. On the condition that we wait until Spanish troops arrive, if following the plan I outlined in other plan) If not following that plan, wait and see whether GS makes an aggressive move with their troops towards Voxian cities. If they do, give Vox Iron. If they stay put... there are too many variable to consider at this time, we'll cross that bridge when and if we come to it.

EDIT: Oops, that was me who voted before discussing throughly. I apologize. I'm certainly open to some discussion.

[ruby_maser]

I had a whole long post written out, but I erased it. There is no need to lecture here. This is a ridiculous move. We put ourselves in this situation by forgetting its just business and posting when emotions were high.

The other teams are already circling, distancing themselves, tempting us with offers, waiting to see the fireworks.

No iron. Back down and live fight another day when we can set the terms.

[Togas]

I am leaning toward SELLING them Iron at this point.

I believe that it is in our best long term interest to help Vox continue to fight GS.

I also believe that we are the next logical target of GS and that our lack of trading iron won't change things ... however, it is entirely possible that they will use the iron trade as an excuse to come and raid our harbor (Barcelona) with the excuse that they need to shut down the iron trade.

Therefore, we put ourselves at a greater risk if we do give iron.

We must weigh this risk. I would accept it if the reward is worthwhile. The question is, what reward would be worth the greater risk of invasion?

A tech? A few hundred gold?

Also, if we do this, Thud's proposal in the other thread is worth serious consideration.

--Togas

[History Guy]

I said no, because I don't think we should give the poor wretches iron unless we may get something more out of it. We already have Arabia casting her greedy eyes towards us, with Egypt's mood soured, we're in for it.

However, as we are moving in anyway, I suggest that we only provide iron in exchange for a price.

I am afraid we've obligated ourselves to assist them, but we've already pledged military support (and I agree with Senor Thud's very fine plan of action), and giving away our iron for free is too much to ask. We must have a price.

Don Iago Calamari de Toledo

[BigFree]

I'm not sure what they could pay right now. I know that they would be willing to pay something in the future for it. We are also trying to get something from Lego for this too....

GoW has shown no signs of backing out and certainly neither has Lego. We should stand by our neighbors/allies in this war. It is for our own good that Vox uses our Iron to kill GS troops that would otherwise be heading for Spain.

If we don't give Iron to them, Vox may have no choice but to allow GS to sue for peace. And then what is GS going to do with all those units and Galley's that can easily reach our shores with the Light House they posess.

We can still expand and REX while helping out Vox. It makes no sense to send our troops over there to help (from GoW standopoint too) in a battle that we can in fact help ourselves by giving Vox Iron.

A vote against giving them Iron is tacit to voting against sending our units over there although we have commited to doing so. If Vox does not have iron, GS will make quick work of our units.

[Fibrizzo]

Although I don't like the idea of being in bad terms with GS, I'm afraid that giving iron to Vox is the only way to go.

GS is growing and if not a direct menace now, It will become one for sure. They will conquer all their continent the sooner or later and when the war is finished, they will focus on building again widening the gap between their team and the rest of us. In that case, the game victory would be for them.

Maybe we could gain some time with this war and try not to get too involved, growing and building as fast as possible and then becoming the first force (not only military) of the game. But that would make us the target of all the other teams...

In any case we will have to face GS one moment or another, and maybe this is our opportunity to change the tide.

[History Guy]

Egypt is a menace, but at present, for us, Arabia is going to be just as much one. When they have Ansars you can be sure that they'll be taking out one of the Bobian tribes.

However, you are right. We must assist the Persians in keeping the Egyptians quiet. Iron it is. But, now that Carthage is promising us goods for doing so, we can do this and still gain something other than having another stalemate abroad that will only end when the next iron link is lost.

Carthage should give us Theology, and they shouldn't ask for a guarantee that we don't build the Sistine Chapel. If we don't get the Sistine, we might as well not try for anything at all.

Don Iago Calamari de Toledo

[Hot Mustard]

Please read my post in the Current Situation thread.

I think we need to start seeing this as an opportunity to gain a new friend, just like we eventually did with GoW. A friend who could help us race to Gunpowder, so that the Riders and Ansars of the north do not pose a threat.

No Iron. No more help for Vox.

The One Voice is dying out, let it go peacefully.

[ruby_maser]

Come on! No Iron for our own blood!!!!

[astrologix]

Thinking on France and UK attitude prior to the WWII (fearing to hurt Hitler and finally leting Germany to take the initiative), I'm for supporting Vox with that iron, but for a price.

I mostly agree with those who support helping Vox, and I am for increase our military quickly, as a priority, without stopping our REX, of course.

[History Guy]

Considering it further, and reading over the transcripts of our discussions with Egyptian leaders...I am beginning to suspect that any assistance to Persia at all will only hurt us further.

Let someone else assist the Persians. Our reputation abroad is already damaged for some unknown reason, let us not make ourselves look like Bob's treacherous villains.

Don Iago Calamari de Toledo

[mrmitchell]

Iron + Plan = Tech + >=100g

But I vote Bnaana, because I'm divided on if we should sell them or not. We need pledged help from more than Lego for something this big.