470 (04): Orders, Results, Discussion

[History Guy]

Your Highness,

I would consent, but I am at present trying to build up Toledo's production rate to a high. I fear if a portion of our workers was to devote himself to the study of science, we might fall behind in production.

Of course, we are expanding to size 3 next turn...

Don Iago Calamari de Toledo

[astrologix]

Barcelona : start building a worker

Set new WF : 1, 5, 7, 8, 9 (it will give the city 1 gold more and reduce the shields to 5, it's enough to build a worker in two turns)

[OliverFA]

I've taken updated screenshots of all the cities (as of 490bc before playing)

http://www.arrakis.es/~oliverfa/cities.html

I sugest you to take a look at the city screens to decide which one is most suitable for the scientis-citizen project

[Hot Mustard]

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470BC Military orders :
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Scouts and Patrols:

Bulgar Warriors
-move E

Watch Rider
-move SE, E

Jungle Patrol
-move E

Guardia Observatoria
-move SE

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Settlers:

Ivory City Settler Group
-found city
-fortify speaman

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Operation Engineering Payment:

New galley
-rename "Nina" ?
-move S, W
-load Madrid Expedition
-move S

Feocalvos
-move E

Madrid Expedition
-move SE (onto new galley)

Santa Maria
-move NE, N, N

Watch Rider 2
-move E, E (onto Santa Maria)

Cutting Edge Guard
-move NE, NE (into Zaragoza)
-upgrade to Pikeman (20 gold)

Zaragoza Guard (veteran 4/4)
-upgrade to Pikeman (20 gold)

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The original OEP plan called for 1 boat Horses, 1 boat Swords, and 1 boat Pikes. The 3rd galley will be ready in 5 turns, by which time our new pikeman will be waiting outside Madrid for pickup. The 2nd galley will take Feos and Mad. Exp. up to Madrid, and then exchange Mad. Exp for the Royal Guard (veteran).

Edit: Change in plan. There is a barb outside Valencia's border. Not a cause for concern, but it is an opportunity for Madrid Expedition to become a veteran. The 2nd galley will ship Mad. Exp. to Valencia next turn, unload, and Mad. Exp. can attack the barb if it entered the borders. Time is not a concern as we're waiting on the 3rd galley anyway.

[Hot Mustard]

We have received the save.

News:
-We have Feudalism (yea!)

-ND founded "Mavdat" directly south of the gold mountian in the valley to our NE

-ND has a galley E, E of Santiago

-There is a barb just outside Valencia's borders (this was expected)

-We have 113 gold, and +21 gpt right now. Making the upgrades in my orders above will drop us to 73 gold.

[Togas]

Results

We have received Feudalism. 1 spear in Zaragoza upgraded, cutting edge guard moved to Zaragoza and upgraded.

NEW CITY FOUNDED: Sevilla

Bulger Conscript is west of Valencia

We are now researching Theology at 40 turns.

Mil strength: Strong to GoW, ave to Lego and ND, weak to Vox and GS.


military:
Bulger E
Watch Rider SE, E
Jungle E
GuObs SE
Cutting Edge Guard moves NE, NE (UPGRADED)

Watch Rider 2 moves E, E onto Santa Maria

Mad Exp SE onto Nina

Feos E

Nina moves S, W, S

Santa Maria moves NE, N, N


workers:
R_M group (near Vigo) ROADS
Astro Group moves SE


cities:
Madrid WF changed to 5-8
Pamplona WF changed 20 into a Scientist.
Barcelona finishes Galley, starts on Worker

Images of the turn can be found here

--Togas

[Togas]

Results

We have received Feudalism. 1 spear in Zaragoza upgraded, cutting edge guard moved to Zaragoza and upgraded.

NEW CITY FOUNDED: Sevilla

Bulger Conscript is west of Valencia

We are now researching Theology at 40 turns.

Mil strength: Strong to GoW, ave to Lego and ND, weak to Vox and GS.


military:
Bulger E
Watch Rider SE, E
Jungle E
GuObs SE
Cutting Edge Guard moves NE, NE (UPGRADED)

Watch Rider 2 moves E, E onto Santa Maria

Mad Exp SE onto Nina

Feos E

Nina moves S, W, S

Santa Maria moves NE, N, N


workers:
R_M group (near Vigo) ROADS
Astro Group moves SE


cities:
Madrid WF changed to 5-8
Pamplona WF changed 20 into a Scientist.
Barcelona finishes Galley, starts on Worker

Images of the turn can be found here

--Togas

[BigFree]

Originally posted by Togas
Do we want to start researching Theology with 1 scientist?

--Togas

No, I don't think we should. The way that Techs havve been sold in this game surprises me, there's not much value on them as far as gold. We should just either gather gold and continue to buy Techs at discounted rates (which happens when 2 or 3 Civs have the Tech and are shopping it around.) We will likely be able to buy it from someone in 15-25 turns for about 100 gold. And to me 100 gold is about 400 gold to cheap, but someone will accept it.

Until we can start doing our own research, we should just use the Market to our advantage and drive the prices down with competion for our gold. It cost's 20 gold to upgrade from Spear to Pike and the same for Swordsmen to Med Inf. It also costs ~ 120 gold to "rush" a Galley if you have at least one shield already devoted towards it. Would you trade one Galley for Theology? You bet you would. Would you trade upgrades on 5 units for it also? I think so.

The value of techs in this game are ridiculously low because no one stands together and says "We will not sell for less than ..." It's good for us, being that we are in the situation of not be able to adequately research.