What about a minigame set for a FEUDAL WAR!!! ?

[Hot Mustard]

Originally posted by Togas
Dejon Clan -- the deposed warlord clan who is out to reconquer their ancient homeland and establish dominance and control of all of Spain.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Dejons are Militaristic and Commercial. Still thinking about UU, but came up with this one...

Medieval Charger (4/2/2) - A mounted Medieval Infantry unit, available at Feudalism and costing 40 or 50 shields.

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by Aidun
UU: Swiss Guard 3,5,1

There is gonna be a problem if we start inventing units and giving them arbitrary and unbalancing attack, defense, or movement values.

There is no defensive unit in the Middle Ages that has a defense value greater than 3, except for Musketmen because the terrain and city defense modifiers make more than a match even for calvary.

A defense value of 5 would make you impervious, so I want a medieval modern armor UU than runs on a wood furnace and has depleted uranium shells that will knock holes in that 3/5/1 unit. Anyone see my point?

[mrmitchell]

Hmm, good point.

Ideas for UUs:

A no bigger than 5, D no bigger than 4, M no bigger than 3. Deal?

for example:

Minstrel Dudes-2,1,3. or
Plague Carriers(maybe for PlagueRat )-5,2,1 (and expensive as hell, for all the isolation they need before they're sent out. Might be a little too advanced concept for the period though)
Peasant Army-2,2,2 and cheap to produce. I dunno, I'm just giving out examples

[Nuclear Winter]

I´d agree to Swiss pikes being 3/3/1 and some 10 shields more expensive (at an EXTREME 2/4/1), as the Swiss guards were very well trained for attack. but remember mr Rubymaser,I am going to put some very heavy amount of siege into it, so it actualy fits my taste to force you people into massive use of siege weapons, making for really long sieges, as in real history. Also this could make it so that an attack will only suceed if a heavy doses of alliances are used to back them up.

As for the map, I don´t know. If we make it larger, it is not going to be much more, as a group of 2/3 cities for each lord sounds good for me, but I could not find a satisfying manner to increase the size of the Spain map... volunteers?
Ah, I tought of making ND and GoW be represented by a very large band of barbarians, so that they raid the player ocasionally... what do you guys think?
I was trying to find a manner to make the tech tree good and Ipd like to say DyP´s gunpowder is very early. I am still studying if I will use it or an altered version of the regular one, but I [b]need[\b] your thought and sugestions on this issue.
Till later,
Nuke

[History Guy]

Well, I'm not sure yet, but I'm certainly hoping that when I get my PC fixed (gulp...might not be until the middle of next month!) I may be able to join in.

If so, the Calamarquists and the Winterus clan will have an alliance, I think.

Capital: Toledo
Commercial/Religious
UU: Kraken...I'm still thinking about what this should be...

[Aidun]

Originally posted by ruby_maser


There is gonna be a problem if we start inventing units and giving them arbitrary and unbalancing attack, defense, or movement values.

There is no defensive unit in the Middle Ages that has a defense value greater than 3, except for Musketmen because the terrain and city defense modifiers make more than a match even for calvary.

A defense value of 5 would make you impervious, so I want a medieval modern armor UU than runs on a wood furnace and has depleted uranium shells that will knock holes in that 3/5/1 unit. Anyone see my point?

How dare you to attack the Pope! Keep in mind that is is the Pope who is the only one that is legitimated to crown you king of Spain.

I see your point, I based the values on the values of the Ansar warrior: 4,2,3. together trhe values are 9, like my proposal for the Swiss Guard: 3,5,1. I agree that the unit is a bit strong, but it is a reaction on another unit.

It would be good if Nuc would set a limit, for example 7 or 8 points. Then every player can form his unit to his own ideas, he can give extra points on those aspects that he considers important.

Aidun

[Nuclear Winter]

It doesn´t work quite that way... a 8 point unit that is 8/0/1 f example would be in the rules but a major nuisance to my palns for long sieges... But If i figured things well UU´s go as this : +1 point to abilities of base unit or +2 but more 10 shields., or 3 but 20 shields... and so on. I think these could be used as general guidelines... SO Aidun you swiss pike would have to be based on the pike, not the arab knight.,,

[Aidun]

Ok pike is 1,3,1 + the +1 addition = 2,4,1 for the swiss guard. This is still without extra shields because I only have it upgraded with +1 for two abilities, isn't it?
If I'm wrong, make the Swiss guard an 1,4,1 unit, because I don't want to make it more expensive.

Aidun

[Nuclear Winter]

not 2/4/1 because you add the points to only one ability. Of course you could change points, as in this example : Swiss pike, the base is Pikemen 1/3/1, I add one point to attack, and take 1 point from defense to make it 3/2/1 (for a really non-pike pikemen , but that is just an example)
I´ll do the proper testing before I put it in, but I think 1/4/1 can do it in.

[Togas]

Agreed.

UU creation Rule: Take any standard unit. You may remove points and add points to any of the 3 attributes as you like. You may also add either 1 extra point or 1 special ability to the unit.

Some special abilities: Amphibious, treat all land like roads, lower cost, no support, bombard, etc.

--Togas

[Togas]

A few more UU creation rules:

Create your UUs from standard units, not other UUs.

No attributes raised more than 2 from their original value.

Cost of the unit may be increased by Nuc if he feels that the Unit is too powerful.

--Togas

[Togas]

The first post of this thread has been updated with all of our factions, traits, etc. Please feel free to edit it yourself if you adjust your faction's information.

We should use this "feature" more often.

--Togas

[Hot Mustard]

UU update:

Medieval Charger 4/2/1, Treat all land like roads
(Medieval Infantry replacement)

This is instead of an extra movement point.

[BigFree]

If people can "create" their own UU's out of regular units by adding in points to different stats and I'm "stuck" with my game desgined UU; then everyones cost should be increased to a certain factor of the original.

Lonbowmen cost = 40 shields
Beserker cost = 70 shields

An increase of 75%


When Firaxis designed this game they balanced out cost/unit effectivieness for all units including UU's. If you were to increase another units stats, you must increase it's cost to keep things "balanced."

[Hot Mustard]

But not all UUs cost so much more. The Beserker is the best attacker through to Cavalry and has Amphibious attack - that is why it is so expensive. Also, you wouldn't be able to create the Beserker from the Longbowman using the rules above.