Expansion Plan

[BigFurryMonster]

Originally posted by Calc II
City that has granary CANT build wonders. They are settler farms. Wonders will cap the city's population in the middle of production, thus wasting surplus food.

That's why we should build wonders in non-granary cities: cities Four and above. These cities can be placed in such a way to have lots of production and just enough food to grow to size 6.

[Zero]

I beg to differ. I think the optimal solution to building a wonder is to settle a city with intent of building a wonder as its second queue. If the immediate surrounding area is fertile and productive, the population will grow steadily as well as wonder will finish in an acceptable speed.

I dont really have a calculated value, but this seems like a better idea.

[BigFurryMonster]

How do we differ then?

[Zero]

Wait We still havent decided whether pyramid is our first priority or Great Library is.. they cost differently right?

[Jon Shafer]

Actually they cost the same (I don't remember the exact value, but they're both a lot). I tend to agree with Calc here. Most of the times when I want to build a wonder (as in I want it at any cost want it) I usually just dedicate a city to it from the beginning.

[punkbass2000]

Originally posted by Calc II
I beg to differ. I think the optimal solution to building a wonder is to settle a city with intent of building a wonder as its second queue.

I agree. What do you think that cities first build should be? Temple? It would help both culture and to achieve WLT*D, if necessary.

[BigFurryMonster]

You'll need something to keep that city's pop happy.

[Jon Shafer]

So just use a warrior.
It's cheaper, and it's not like we'll be in the running for a culture victory anyways.

[BigFurryMonster]

I'm not sure one unit of warriors will keep a size-6 city happy, even with the help of our Spicy stuff.

[punkbass2000]

Originally posted by Trip
So just use a warrior.
It's cheaper, and it's not like we'll be in the running for a culture victory anyways.

Does the word 'cumulative' mean anything to you?

[Jon Shafer]

No, actually.

By the time our REX is over we'll be able to concentrate more on things like temples. UNTIL it's over, we'll want to be continually producing settlers AFAP in order to take the good land that we seem to be surrounded by.

[WarriorPoet]

My thoughts...

City one: warrior, warrior, settler, warrior, warrior, settler, spearman, settler, temple, settler/wonder

Additional cities: attack unit, worker, spearman, settler, attack unit/temple, settler

Only after Rex, build granaries to increase usefullness of cities

Build improvements as such:
temple/barracks, library/barracks, marketplace, granary, courthouse...

Keeping cities slim and efficient is best in the beginning.

The Pyramids really do take too long...

I like the Oracle and the Great Library, personally

[BigFurryMonster]

Originally posted by WarriorPoet
My thoughts...

City one: warrior, warrior, settler

Stop right there and take a look at the excel file I put on our server. After 2 warriors, 9 turns have elapsed (forgetting the one for moving our initial settler). Our first city is then only size 1. It takes 11 more turns to grow to size 3, which is needed to produce a settler.

Originally posted by WarriorPoet
, warrior, warrior, settler,

Again - producing two warriors takes 8 turns (due to the presence of a mine). The city will need another 12 turns to grow to size 3.

Originally posted by WarriorPoet
spearman, settler,

Similar argument. Even stronger, since a spearman only takes 7 turns.

Originally posted by WarriorPoet
Only after Rex, build granaries to increase usefullness of cities

This is where granaries come in. Before the building of all the settlers. The city will grow in 10 turns instead of 20 (from size 1 to size 3).

Originally posted by WarriorPoet
Keeping cities slim and efficient is best in the beginning.

Agreed. That is to say: we should work only grassland, irrigated plains, and maybe forest until we turn to a production economy instead of a growth economy.

Originally posted by WarriorPoet
The Pyramids really do take too long...

Agreed again.

Originally posted by WarriorPoet
I like the Oracle and the Great Library, personally

My favourite: the Great Library.

[CiverDan]

The GL...IF we can get it, which is is probably a long shot at best. I personally like the Oracle because it keeps cities cities on rivers growing longer without unhappiness problems.

[BigFurryMonster]

Anyway - back to topic. I strongly favor building granaries, because of the reasons above. If you differ, please post a viable plan to we can discuss it. Please include more detail than just "build units and when our city is size 3, change to settler".