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**lmtoops** · March 17, 2003, 15:44

**Tiberius** · March 17, 2003, 16:39

Yay!

**vondrack** · March 17, 2003, 16:42

Originally posted by lmtoops

OK, so lemme precise what Leo suggests here...

They say they are like 20 turns from discovering Currency. Combined with some more intel we have, it looks like they are researching at about 14 beakers per turn... if they shut their research down for 10 turns, they should be able to save about 140 gold. So, if we ask for 90-100, they should be quite happy, shouldn't they? They get the tech 10 turns earlier + they save some gold. Should gain us yet another happy Bobian smiling at us.

Add your comments, please - we should make them an offer ASAP, to minimize losses... I would go for 90 or 95, to avoid the figure looking too high...

**Tiberius** · March 17, 2003, 17:10

Sounds good. However if we include a no-whoring clause (even though I don't know who they could possibly trade with; we will give most probably Currency to eveybody on the same turn) the price might go down a bit.

Edit: typo

**vondrack** · March 17, 2003, 17:14

Originally posted by Tiberius
Sounds good. However if we include a no-whoring clause (even though I don't who they could possibly trade with; we will give most probably Currency to eveybody on the same turn) the price might go down a bit.

Agreed - let them enjoy a little bit of haggling over the price.

**Tiberius** · March 17, 2003, 17:18

Yeah, 90 sounds good to begin with, and we could settle on 80 (or maybe even 70, to show our gratitude for the WM; maybe we'll repeat the trade some day

).

**vondrack** · March 17, 2003, 17:42

OK, seeing nobody objecting, I have sent the following PM to [DG]helios few minutes ago:

Greetings!

I think we can live with this trade. 50 Gold for our WM was a good price. Now you see the whole Bob

We have Currency in ca. 20 rounds and we will contact you, when it is finish.

What are you researching now?

Best regards,
helios

Hello!

Glad to know that you are okay with the deal as it eventually ended up. I admit that we enjoyed having a peek,

even if we do not intend to set our feet on your soil ever.

Now, as for the Currency. My reason for asking you about it was that after making contact with GoW and (almost) catching up tech-wise, we - quite randomly - chose the Currency as our next research goal. We are now 10 turns (at most) from discovering it. We believe it would be wasteful, if you continue researching it, as you would finish your research several turns after we traded it around anyway.

So, here comes our proposal: shut down your research and stockpile cash for those 10 turns (it may be 9, but 10 is guaranteed). We will sell you Currency on the very turn we discover it for 90 gold (preferrably arranging it so that you offer 90 gold a turn before, we counter by throwing in the Currency and "accepting", and you close the deal the turn after by "accepting", too). We'd respectfully ask for a non-whoring clause (i.e. you would not be allowed to resell it for a given number of turns), but as most teams would be purchasing it on the same turn anyway, it would be more or less just a formality...

Let us know if you consider the price fair and if you are interested in pursuing the deal.

Best regards,
Radek aka vondrack
President of Legoland

**Tiberius** · March 18, 2003, 03:30

My guess: they will accept the deal as it is. They won't bargain, even if we would eventually lower the price a bit. They are germans

**vondrack** · March 18, 2003, 18:06

OK, to keep everybody posted, here is a rather dull chat held a bit unexpectedly earlier today with guys from ND:

Session Start: Tue Mar 18 19:44:20 2003
Session Ident: #Legoland2
Jack_www: well did your team get a chance to look over the deal?
helios: yes
helios: i have posted the whole pm
Jack_www: That is good
Jack_www: any feed back yet on weather your team likes it or not?
helios: yes many team members think that we have spent many ressources on currency
helios: too much to stop it
Jack_www: yes but if you go with deal you get it faster
Jack_www: then you can start with anther tech
Jack_www: But i see what you are saying
Jack_www: understandable
helios: faster perhaps
Jack_www: is there anyone who wants to accept the deal
helios: but also it would be more expensive
Jack_www: because of the resreach you put into it?
helios: yes we research it for a long time
helios: and we are not very liquid ...

Jack_www: well we believe that it would just cost you the same if you conitued to reasreach, the way the deal is now.
Jack_www: but what price would you be willing to pay for currency?
helios: hmm its a difficult question
Jack_www: plus think of the money you can make by getting currency 10 turns early
Jack_www: you will get markets sooner
Jack_www: would you be willing to make a gold per turn payment, instead of a lum sum payment
Jack_www: of say maybe 4 or 5 gold per turn?
helios: this would not be a different
Jack_www: well the deal we present would make it so you will make more money in the end run
Jack_www: if you get markerts in your cities sooner
Jack_www: also the gold per turn would be different because you would not need all the gold up front
helios: hmm
helios: perhaps you are right, but the position of our members was that they thougt it is too expensive
helios: and it would be better to research it on our own...
Jack_www: well we believe that it would just cost you the same amount maybe even less with this deal
Jack_www: and like i said markets sooner means more money
Jack_www: but if you want to resreach it on your own
helios: yes but markets have to build first
Jack_www: we dont mind, just through your would be interested in the deal
helios: yes thanks for the offer
* [ND]Darekill has joined #legoland2
[ND]Darekill: Hi legos!
helios: hi darekill
Jack_www: hello Darekill
[ND]Darekill: what were you talking about?
Jack_www: we were just talking about the currency deal
[ND]Darekill: ah i see.
[ND]Darekill: it's funny that we research the same thing.
helios: yes

Jack_www: well what I just said to Helios here that we offered a gold per turn of 4 or 5 gold per turn for currency
Jack_www: Here is the hole summery of our deal as it stands now
Jack_www: we will sell you curency in ten turns for 4 or 5 gold per turn
Jack_www: and you can stop reasreching currency
Jack_www: and save up your money for other projects
Jack_www: that way you can get currency in half the time
Jack_www: also you can spilt the payment
Jack_www: like pay some upfront and the rest per turn
Jack_www: what ever suits your team
helios: what will you research next?
Jack_www: we have not decided yet
Jack_www: we are trading techs with other teams
Jack_www: so we dont really know what we will get in the trades
Jack_www: thus not sure what to resreach next
helios: hmm i think we should think about it...
helios: about your offer, i mean
[ND]Darekill: the problem is we donmt see no other resarch right now and we like to research for ourselfs...
Jack_www: well for the ten turns
Jack_www: you can just cut back on resreach
Jack_www: and still have it on currency
Jack_www: and save your money
[ND]Darekill: We could speed up our research and be ready sooner...
Jack_www: but what other techs would you want?
[ND]Darekill: maybe monarchy
Jack_www: well some other team is researching that tech for a couple of turns right now
Jack_www: but we have not made any deals with them as we are not interested in Monarchy
[ND]Darekill: well there are not so many choises left.
[ND]Darekill: choices
[ND]Darekill: let's say we consider your offer. We have the time ten turns are some time to think!
Jack_www: well just to ask again
Jack_www: what price would you like to pay for it?
[ND]Darekill: helios will keep the contact
Jack_www: aalso we can wait for the ten turns as well
helios: yes of course
Jack_www: so that is not a problem
[ND]Darekill: we have to calculate it through. So i can't give you numbers now.
Jack_www: ok, again we are in not in any rush
Jack_www: if you wish
Jack_www: you can come back after you calculate the price
vondrack: k, I am back
vondrack: whoa!
vondrack: what an honour!

vondrack: welcome, Darekill
[ND]Darekill: at your service vondrack
vondrack: sorry to miss you before - had something to do elsewhere
[ND]Darekill: the honour is on my side!
vondrack: lots of diplo talking this evening
vondrack:

Jack_www: well it is early in the day for me.

[ND]Darekill: and i'm sorry but i have to go.
vondrack:

vondrack: ok
vondrack: I will read the log then
vondrack: 'twas a pleasure to meet you

vondrack: both of you, I mean
Jack_www: bye Darekill
helios: cu darekill
[ND]Darekill: no problem we will sure meet more often in the future
vondrack: bye
* [ND]Darekill has left #legoland2
vondrack: I certainly hope so
vondrack: well, gimme a sec, I will skim through the log
Jack_www: is there anything else that you wish to talk about?
Jack_www: besides the deal
helios: so i think, i should talk with our members in the next days and i will contact you then...
Jack_www: ok
Jack_www: i will await you pm
Jack_www: and if you wish to chat again
Jack_www: this time and day are perfect for me
helios: yeyes its a good time
vondrack: ok, seems I was able to catch up just in time to say good bye

)
Jack_www: but if you wish to meat at a earlyer time
Jack_www: that is ok
Jack_www: too
vondrack: take your time to decide, helios
Jack_www: but not too much earlier
vondrack: our offer stands for the next ten turns
vondrack: no hurry
Jack_www: yes the offer is good for the a while
Jack_www: so you have time to talk
Jack_www: with in your team
Jack_www: and we can talk to our team
Jack_www: well i will talk to you latter
helios: ok i will send you a pm in the next days...
vondrack: good
vondrack: take care, helios!
vondrack: cya
Jack_www: cya
helios: you too

helios: cu
vondrack:

vondrack: bye
Session Close: Tue Mar 18 20:42:40 2003

The best thing now is, IMHO, to do nothing. We offered a deal. We know it's fair. Let they get back to us, we have no need to beg them.

**Tiberius** · March 19, 2003, 05:15

Originally posted by Tiberius
My guess: they will accept the deal as it is. They won't bargain, even if we would eventually lower the price a bit. They are germans

Well, I lost this bet

I don't really understand these guys. They don't want to give us money, but why? This treaty should bring them some money, too. What is the reason not to accept it?

**lmtoops** · March 19, 2003, 09:32

You were half wrong Tibi. The did not accept, but they did not bargain either. It would seem they would have had a counter proposal. Instead, the answer is YES or NO.

**vondrack** · March 21, 2003, 05:35

OK, I have just PMed the following message to [DG]helios:

Esteemed ambassador!

This is just a quick idea that has recently emerged in our team forum... where we were debating why you chose to not accept the Currency deal we considered quite fair and clearly advantageous for both sides...

One of our members suggested that you may have your own Currency-related deals pre-arranged and thus need to be able to trade it around, at least to an extent... which the proposed no-whoring clause would prevent you from.

Now, if that is the problem, I suggest we meet again. The fact is, that we have not arranged trading Currency to all the other teams yet... and the reason may be that some of them have a prearranged deal with you, thus not feeling like trading with us, waiving the deals already made.

We may be happy to trade Currency to you together with rights to sell it to a team or teams of your choice... on condition that it does not interfere with our own trades, of course.

Is this something that might change your mind regarding the proposed deal?

Best regards,
Radek aka vondrack
The President of Legoland

**Kloreep** · June 1, 2003, 22:30

I think we should approach ND about a Theology deal. I'd very much like us to be the one to sell it to them, so that we can tack on a no-Sistine; due to their Religious trait, I consider them one of three prime candidates for Sistine's (the other two being Vox and GS, due to the chance of GLs).

**Kloreep** · June 2, 2003, 17:34

Commenting on info from the RP thread: If ND is the next one to go under the dogpile after GS, I think we should consider dealing favorably with them now, propping them up however we can BEFORE war; RPers and GoW can't be mad at us for support we gave before war.

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