Next turn plans up to 50AD

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Sharpe
When are we planning on building Kloreepville? I thought the eastern jungle city is more of a priority?

This is what I was thinking too, that Tarzania is our next city, and Kloreepville only the following one.
However I don't have anything against Kloreepville being built now. It'd be a good city after we cut the jungle, especially because its proximity to the capital. Tarzania is a strategically more important because of its position near the eastern coast, but far more corrupt, too.

[vondrack]

Tarzania is our next city, that's right - but it will have 2 fine tiles from get go (2 bonus grasslands), so there's no urgent need to send our worker there. Which is not the case with Kloreepville that should be built withing like ~10-15 turns, I believe - that site has not a single 2-food tile to work. If we are to have the site at least half decent at the moment we found Kloreepville, we should better start working on it... plus, we are actually improving Legopolis radius at the same time...

[vondrack]

Originally posted by Sharpe
7) Troy to sentry (?)
No, move west for now, we want to keep the fog between Farmerville and Karina free of barbs

Not sure about this... the area between Farmervile, Zargonia, and Karina is easily reachable by road - any unit from these cities would be able to intercept barbs that might appear there... but I think I have a good solution - let's move Mighty Merc from Zargonia to that mountain NE of the crossroad and sentry him there. He is not needed as an MP unit in Zargonia, he would be able to get back to Zargonia in 2 turns, should barbs approach the city from NW (Tarzania area) and will keep the FoW lifted for the area - allowing Troy to keep FoW off the area between Zargonia and Logville. BTW, Troy would also be able to get to Zargonia in 2 turns - that is a response time fast enough for any kind of a threat aimed at Zargonia, I believe.

[Sharpe]

No I really don't want to move Mighty Merc from Zargonia due to the nearby large fog west of Zargonia (the Tarzania site).

I don't think we should keep the horses immobile necessarily - that isn't their strength - that is more for defensives and swords. So I still think we should move Troy a little for now. Plus we are still vastly underpowered in Farmerville-Forkmouth-Sharpehaven-RedBricks area.

So I am upgrading the Troy movement to a MA order - Troy to move NW-N next turn, then to Zargonia, then Zargon can decide what to do with him, but I recommend moving along the road to Farmerville for now and to keep Troy patrolling along the road perhaps.

[vondrack]

Plans for 690BC:

1) G.G. to move SW-S-S

2) Leopold to mine, then move SE-S-W and clear jungle
this is different from my suggestion last turn - but I realized Leo can help Charlie speed up the mine build by 1 turn (allowing us to leave labourers in Legopolis and Jackson as they are), getting "in sync" with him in addition - they will then both be able to work on the jungle clearing and Kloreepville site preparation.

3) Dye Fields warrior (name?) to move N-NE-N to Jackson, then fortify
4) Mercedes to move from Jackson S-SW-SW, then N-NW and fortify
we are going to build barracks in Jackson, so the Dye Field warrior can be upgraded there, too. With an extra MP unit in Jackson, we will be able to send one regular Merc from there to Legopolis, allowing Merciless (elite) to move to Jackson. Then the other regular Jackson Merc shall head for the Benelux isthmus for training (letting Marky Merc the Elite to move to either Jackson or Panama).

5) new Jackson worker (Jack?) to move SW-SW-W, then NW & mine/road
as we plan to operate Legopolis at pop 9, we will need to fully improve all the riverbank hills in its radius. Better start now...

6) Forkman to sentry

7) Troy to move N-W-W, then sentry

8) Alexander to move N-E
9) Silver to move E-E
with the bad horsie SE of where Alexander is now, we shall better withdraw him - the bad horsie must have bros down there... better not risk our horse against a stack... by moving N-E, we will be able to cover both Karina & Logville, should the need arise... plus, Silver will be coming as a backup, just in case

10) Jackson to start building Barracks

11) assign the new Farmerville labourer to the roaded riverbank grassland SE of the city

12) assign the new Logville labourer to the unimproved riverbank grassland SW of the city

13) assign the new Legopolis labourer to the hill tile Robbie is currently improving

Comments:

Legopolis - 9 shields in the bank, 21 to go. This turn, we shall get 10 (9, +1 from the new labourer). That's 19, 11 to go. By finishing the mine on the next turn, we shall get 9+1+1=11 shields, just enough to finish our merc there with 0 shields wasted (and no need to shuffle labourers in Legopolis & Jackson).

I have been playing with the future setup of Legopolis... as I understand we are going to build Sistine's there. ATM, we are at +2 food there... after switching to republic, we shall be at +3 food (thanks to the cattle). That means three more hills that we will be able to work. This shall allow us to get the current production (9 spt), plus 2 more spt from the hill Leo&Charlie are mining, plus 9 more spt from the three riverbank hills. That is 9+2+9=20 spt, +0 food (means no worries about unhappiness problems with a cathedral). I believe we should aim for exactly this setup (thus: no cattle irrigiation). Especially the fact that the city will be "stable" as far as pop goes seems very important to me. And if we are able to get 20 spt (not sure - waste may creep in), that would be just awesome.

[ZargonX]

Orders for Troy: I agree with starting Troy N-W-W, and I am tempted to let him Sentry there. However, I was thinking about mobility issues, and I think I'd like to set up a movement plan that keeps Troy moving on a circuit, sort of patrolling a given area, rather than just having him sit still. I'll give a full rundown shortly..

[Kloreep]

On the Jackson worker: Good assignment for now; Legopolis does need its hills improved some more. But after that, I'd like to have him move SE to Dye Fields and clear another jungle there so Dye Fields has 3 good tiles. Remember, Jason will be integrated into Dye Fields for the poprush; there won't be a worker there in another 16 turns or so.

On Legopolis: Keep in mind that a mine on a grassland produces 1 shield. On the other hand, irrigation on a grassland produces one food, which can support a worker on a mined hill, who makes three shields - that's one more shield for an irrigated grass and a mined hill than for two mined grasses. So an alterante set-up for Legopolis is to have either the Cattle or the Bonus Grass irrigated and worked; this, along with the 2 free food from the city tile and the two food from the cattle, will support 5 hills. (5 more pop). The 7th, 8th, and 9th workers can work mined grasses. (Note that in GA or war mobilization, only tiles that already produce a shield produce another shield; thus, it's best to irrigate grasses that naturally produce shields - cattle and bonus grasses.) This will balance out the food perfectly at pop 9, and the city will gather 21 shields (waste will almost certainly chew away some; hopefully only one). So in my mind, the only question is whether we irrigate the bonus grass or the cattle; I'd say the cattle, as it's adjacent to more grass tiles than the bonus, so it'll be easier to pass on irrigation to Kloreepville.

[Sharpe]

Plans for 690BC: (Sharpe's opinions)

1) G.G. to move SW-S-S
Agreed - though odd that we haven't uncovered that coast area by now...

2) Leopold to mine, then move SE-S-W and clear jungle
Actually I was also thinking about speeding that mine - glad you thought about it too - Agreed

3) Dye Fields warrior (name?) to move N-NE-N to Jackson, then fortify
4) Mercedes to move from Jackson S-SW-SW, then N-NW and fortify
Not sure , the barracks will be ready in Jackson in 4 turns right ? (assuming we will use a desert square on the turn it grows? might be tight though) - might want to consider upgrading at Panama instead.

Though I do agree about switching our merc near Benelux - might want to send Gaul there as well if we upgrade him...

5) new Jackson worker (Jack?) to move SW-SW-W, then NW & mine/road
as we plan to operate Legopolis at pop 9, we will need to fully improve all the riverbank hills in its radius. Better start now...

6) Forkman to sentry
Agreed

7) Troy to move N-W-W, then sentry
hmm N-W definitely, but I agree with Zargon, why waste a horse not moving?

8) Alexander to move N-E
Guess so

9) Silver to move E-E
Might want to try E-SE and eventually head toward Lonely mountain perhaps?

10) Jackson to start building Barracks
Agreed

11) assign the new Farmerville labourer to the roaded riverbank grassland SE of the city
Agreed

12) assign the new Logville labourer to the unimproved riverbank grassland SW of the city
Or the bonus grassland - we won't get neither the commerce nor the shield either way...

13) assign the new Legopolis labourer to the hill tile Robbie is currently improving
Agreed

[ZargonX]

Turn log: 690 BC

-Load turn
-Leopold mines
-Forkman sentry
-Named Dyefields warrior "Dycedarg"
-Dycedarg N-NE-N
-Named Jackson worker "Jack"
-Jack SW-SW-W
-Troy N-W-SW-W (as part of my patrol plans... I guess consider that my first official MA order )
-Alexander N-E
-Silver S-SE. I agree with Sharpe, I'd like to get a better look at that valley. This will only delay eastward movement by a turn.
-GG SW-S-S
-Mercedes S-SW-SW, beginning the great Merc switch...
-Jackson switched to barracks.
-Logville worker switched to unimproved grassland.
-The Legopolis laborer was already assigned to that hill, so there were no changes.

Other notes: GS is building the GLib. I'll assume that's a prebuild. I guess they really are that confident that they'll win if they're still wonder building during this war...
-GS and Lego are tops on the power graph, but also have the least culture. Go figure!

-After turn, bad horsie near Alexander moved north, and some barb galleys moved. Nothing of note.

[Tiberius]

Is the save of the latest turn available somewhere?

[ZargonX]

I guess Radek hasn't put it up yet. I can email it to you, if you'd like.

[vondrack]

Plans for 670BC:

1) G.G. to move SW-S-E, then SW-S-E again

2) new Panama Merc "Mercus Aurelius" to move SE-SE-SE, then SE-S-E, then either to Dye Fields or Jackson to replace a regular Merc that should be sent to training

3) new Legopolis Merc "(Merc) Twain" to move S
then to our Southern provinces

4) Jack to mine
speeding the mine NE of Legopolis by 1 turn, just like we used Leo last turn

5) Charlie & Leopold to move SE-S-W, then clear jungle

6) Mercedes to move W-NW
7) Merciless to move SE-E-N, then NE-NE-fortify
part of the merc-shuffling plan

8) Frank to move W, then road

9) George to move SE-SE-SE, then E, then road & mine
preparing the road and radius for Tarzania

10) Troy to move NW-NW-N-N
making sure there is no bad horse in the jungle able to ambush George

11) Alexander to move NW-NW
let's wait for the barb horse to move to an open, well visible terrain; attacking him where he is, we'd most probably win, but might run into his bros... no risk necessary

12) Silver to move SW (?)

13) leave Farmerville labourer on the mined desert for one more turn, then reassign to roaded riverbank grassland

14) Panama - to start building a Temple

15) make sure the new Karina labourer works a grassland (2-food) tile (preferrably one beyond the reach of any barb horsies)

16) make sure the new Zargonia labourer works the forest

17) make sure the new Dye Fields labourer works the coast

[Kloreep]

On George (9): He should move NE and mine, then go to Tarzania. Moving him now won't speed up Tarzania's settler, and the mine will speed up RB's Temple immediately when it grows again in 7 turns.

Also, add 18) Legopolis - to start building a temple (The Merc should complete this turn)

Otherwise

[ZargonX]

12)Silver SW-SE. Yes, that is where I'd like him to go. I know this travel by hilltop is inefficient, but it prevents any suprise open-land assaults by barb horsemen travelling in the fog. I'd just like to make sure the valley is clear of barb camps before moving on.

[Sharpe]

Plans for 670BC:

1) G.G. to move SW-S-E, then SW-S-E again
Probably , although I am tempted to suggest W-SE-E for next turn

2) new Panama Merc "Mercus Aurelius" to move SE-SE-SE, then SE-S-E, then either to Dye Fields or Jackson to replace a regular Merc that should be sent to training
Agreed

3) new Legopolis Merc "(Merc) Twain" to move S
then to our Southern provinces
Agreed

4) Jack to mine
speeding the mine NE of Legopolis by 1 turn, just like we used Leo last turn
Agreed

5) Charlie & Leopold to move SE-S-W, then clear jungle
I guess so

6) Mercedes to move W-NW
7) Merciless to move SE-E-N, then NE-NE-fortify
part of the merc-shuffling plan
I guess - I still think we should have moved the warrior to Panama to upgrade rather than wait these turns in Jackson

8) Frank to move W, then road
Agreed, though pay attention whether that grassland square south of the wheat is cleared of the fog or not - if so we need to take care as Frank would have no warning if a barb camp appeared there.

9) George to move SE-SE-SE, then E, then road & mine
preparing the road and radius for Tarzania
I agree with Kloreep - get the mine out of the way for RedBricks now

10) Troy to move NW-NW-N-N
making sure there is no bad horse in the jungle able to ambush George
Agreed even though I don't think George should head that way - we will need to check if we decide to send the next settler to Tanzania in 3 turns.

11) Alexander to move NW-NW
Agreed - get the barb out into the open

12) Silver to move SW (?)
I would favor E or SE to get him to Lonely Mountain

13) leave Farmerville labourer on the mined desert for one more turn, then reassign to roaded riverbank grassland
Agreed

14) Panama - to start building a Temple
Agreed

15) make sure the new Karina labourer works a grassland (2-food) tile (preferrably one beyond the reach of any barb horsies)
Agreed, although when we can ensure the worker's safety we should start irrigating those plains squares - we will get one more commerce once we get to republic.

16) make sure the new Zargonia labourer works the forest
Agreed

17) make sure the new Dye Fields labourer works the coast
Agreed

18) Legopolis - to start building a temple (The Merc should complete this turn)
Agreed, assuming that we got that extra shield from the western hill next turn