Discussion for the The Chronicle of Legoland thread

[vondrack]

Originally posted by Kloreep
Howard, Conan, Gaul:

But I'm confused as to who will escort the settler Legopolis is gonna build. While the way to Panama (or whatever we call the city) can be kept lit up, how much do we want to risk from mounted barbs? (And does anyone know when they start appearing?)

I thought we would use Angus to escort the Settler (Angus would go to Legopolis and stay there until the Settler is ready). The Jackson Merc should be ready by that time, able to reach Legopolis in two turns, in case of emergency.

[vondrack]

Originally posted by Nimitz
I've got big news the RPers have met ND!!!

Wow! Tell us more!

[ZargonX]

Originally posted by vondrack


Anyone having a better idea what to do? I know this is not very exciting, but maybe it's time for a long term strategy discussion... Just few more turns and Zargon should be able to start working on our future city placement plan, I guess.

Actually, I will be mailing you an image to post later this evening. It's a map of our lands, with several suggested city sites for discussion!

[Sharpe]

I would rather keep the Merc and Angus near our core cities until we explore further to the east and southeast somewhat as we are still very vulnerable there.

As much talk as there is about the isthmus, it is still not certain if anyone is there or how large the area is. However, it seems that the southeast has a lot of land and it is definitely possible that there is more land to the east that we can't even see yet.

Our exploration should be concentrating on the isthmus, but more so on uncovering what is east and southeast of us, especially to see if we are on a continent or a decent size island.

I've got big news the RPers have met ND!!!

Hmm interesting - a major question is WHERE did they meet them? to their east or to their west? If the latter it is very likely that we will meet up with them (or Lux Invicta) too.

Furthermore if we are able to find that out we probably will have guestimated the starting position of 5 of the 7 civs (including us) - the only remaining question would be: where are Gathering Storm and Vox Controli? However, since the rumor is that ND has met 4 civs already - if RP was not included in the 4, it would mean that VC and GS would have met ND as well.

[redstar1]

Time to get stuck in here....

The east and south-east looks to maybe be a good city spot and I think this should bear the brunt of our explorations. We can defend the Ithmus a lot easier if screaming hot pain death were to arise from there but if as you say, the rest of the teams are meeting up... we have heard no reports of war, or of agression so it seems each team is as nervous as each other. So far we have been able to explore and expand without due cause for concern and it may prove to be the case that we are on an island/continent by ourselves. If this is the case then surely we should expand as fast as we can to let us fill our borders...

Sorry for the inane ramblings!

[vondrack]

I joined Nimitz and Togas on the chat yesterday. Togas told us some interesting stuff there. Here is what I can recall:

1) ND was "neutral", interested in trading (traded a tech)
2) ND traded techs with everybody they met
3) Togas believes ND has contact with 3 other civs
4) RPers share a landmass with ND, LI, and GoW (at least)
5) Voxes are reportedly located somewhere in the Northern hemisphere (though they have no contact with RPers yet).
6) RP exploring warrior sent into our direction hit water (implies there is no landbridge in the southeast of our landmass).
7) They are currently researching Writing (about the same way through as we are at the moment).
8) Their next tech will be Map Making, already arranged a trade for it (with someone else).
9) Nobody knows anything about GS.

We agreed on letting RPers know as soon as we locate any other civ.

Originally posted by Sharpe
I would rather keep the Merc and Angus near our core cities until we explore further to the east and southeast somewhat as we are still very vulnerable there.

Well, assigning Angus to garrison Legopolis and sending the Merc to block the isthmus sounds like "keeping them near our core cities" to me. Would you prefer keeping them both in Legopolis?

Originally posted by Sharpe
As much talk as there is about the isthmus, it is still not certain if anyone is there or how large the area is. However, it seems that the southeast has a lot of land and it is definitely possible that there is more land to the east that we can't even see yet.

Our exploration should be concentrating on the isthmus, but more so on uncovering what is east and southeast of us, especially to see if we are on a continent or a decent size island.

The info from Togas should change your mind a bit, I think. RPers hit water trying to get to us. Looking at the merged minimap, I do agree there could be a good deal of land to the S/SE... BUT, if there was anyone close enough down there, I am pretty sure we would already have had visitors coming from there. We've had none and therefore, I am inclined to believe there is nobody there or is quite far away.

Anyway, I agree that as far as exploration goes, we have two top priority directions: SE (Conan+Gaul) and beyond the isthmus (Howard - that's why I suggested sending the Merc to the isthmus, letting Howard continue across the isthmus without actually leaving a "hole" there allowing outsiders to enter our primary landmass).

Originally posted by Sharpe
Hmm interesting - a major question is WHERE did they meet them? to their east or to their west? If the latter it is very likely that we will meet up with them (or Lux Invicta) too.

Not west (RPers have water to their west). My guess is North, as GoW has a contact with ND, too. Putting ND North of RPers and East of GoW makes sence.

Originally posted by Sharpe
Furthermore if we are able to find that out we probably will have guestimated the starting position of 5 of the 7 civs (including us) - the only remaining question would be: where are Gathering Storm and Vox Controli? However, since the rumor is that ND has met 4 civs already - if RP was not included in the 4, it would mean that VC and GS would have met ND as well.

Not sure about this, but I expect Voxes across the isthmus. No idea about where GS could be.

One more final note. Either way, it is now almost clear that we are on the less "crowded" landmass. Unless we get off here REAL FAST, we are likely to fall behind tech-wise and experience difficult times catching up later on.

I would sum our priorities as follows (in about this order):
1) Finish exploring our primary landmass (Conan+Gaul)
2) Venture beyond the isthmus (Howard)
3) Get off our landmass ASAP
4) Expand like crazy

[redstar1]

Originally posted by vondrack
One more final note. Either way, it is now almost clear that we are on the less "crowded" landmass. Unless we get off here REAL FAST, we are likely to fall behind tech-wise and experience difficult times catching up later on.

I would sum our priorities as follows (in about this order):
1) Finish exploring our primary landmass (Conan+Gaul)
2) Venture beyond the isthmus (Howard)
3) Get off our landmass ASAP
4) Expand like crazy

Agreed. We need to make contact with at least one other civ, preferably a freindly one with a lot of contacts themselves. At the same time a spot of isolation may not do our defences any harm but we may be best served to head for map-making ASAP. Would agree with your list of priorities but would make 3 and 4 joint as we can do them together

[vondrack]

Originally posted by redstar1
Would agree with your list of priorities but would make 3 and 4 joint as we can do them together

Then, why not making all of them joint...

OK, seriously, I do not think the priorities contradict one another. "1+2" basically say what our existing explorer units should focus on, "3" says what we shall research, and "4" says what we shall produce...

[redstar1]

I'm not saying they contradict each other, maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say.... No matter what order you put them they are definately the 4 main areas we should be concentrating. I think most people would agree that.

[vondrack]

Well, hopefully, Howard has made it to the isthmus in time. I believe he can safely continue NW now, across the isthmus. Merc to NW, too, heading for where Howard currently is, supposed to sit there and wait for the settler that will build a city for him to guard.

Gaul to follow the coastline (SE), Conan to go South to make our knowledge of the confluence area complete.

Angus W or NW - this is important!. Angus is not allowed to fool around now, he must head straight for Legopolis, otherwise we will have a disorder in Legopolis after it hits pop 3.

Objections? I guess none, since this is just so obvious... but anyway, I'm posting the schedule here just to make sure...

[Jack_www]

personaly i dont think it was very wise to move the N. Merc. from Legopolis. I think he should me moved back to the capital and that if you want agnus to graud anything to send him to Jackson City. Why would we want to leave Legopolis undefended?

[vondrack]

Originally posted by Jack_www
personaly i dont think it was very wise to move the N. Merc. from Legopolis. I think he should me moved back to the capital and that if you want agnus to graud anything to send him to Jackson City. Why would we want to leave Legopolis undefended?

The reason for sending the Merc out towards the isthmus is that we want Howard to explore beyond it without leaving a "hole" that would allow outsiders to sneak into our landmass (which would be the case if Howard went beyond the isthmus and there would be nobody left to block it). We would send the Merc to Panama anyway (with the settler), so having him a bit sooner there should do no harm.

Legopolis will not stay undefended for long, as Angus will be there in three turns, just in time to take care of pop 3 problem. He will stay there until the new settler is ready and then escort him to the ishtmus city site. Defending Legopolis with our best unit would be an overkill - we know there is no serious threat coming from S/SE - the worst we can expect is barbarians and those should be easily repelled by Angus. Jackson needs no garrison for the time being, as the pop is low enough (the Merc there will be completed in time to take care of the pop 3 problem).

[lmtoops]

I think there are no "roaming" barbarians. The setting was set to random.

[Jack_www]

I just dont feel good leaving our cities so open.

[vondrack]

Originally posted by Jack_www
I just dont feel good leaving our cities so open.

Maybe it is time to get accustomed to the feeling?
Seriously, we do not need to keep any units idling there right now. If we had no better use for them somewhere else, it would be ok to leave them garrisoning, but since we do have a better use, let's just take the risk. It is not high, I'd say.

Also, I understand that everybody is a bit bored with our recent turns, as there is nothing really exciting happening. Still, I would like to briefly sum up our plans for the next turn (the savegame is almost with us again).

Obvious:
Howard - N
Merc - NW
Angus - NW or W

Open for discussion:
Conan - SW? E?
Gaul - SE? E?

If Conan moves a bit backwards (SW), he would be able to reveal the shrouded tiles around the confluence of The Fork Rivers. The area over there is quite likely to be a candidate for our next (fourth) city and it may be important to know if there is anything special. OTOH, it is quite obvious that there is either grassland or bonus grassland over there, so just making sure it really is what we suppose it is may not be worth the two wasted turns. Moving East is perhaps a better choice.

Gaul may either keep following the coast (SE), trying to get as far as possible in as little time as possible, or may turn to the East, into the interior of our landmass. My choice would be to follow the coast, since my biggest concern is we still have no contact with other civs. Meeting someone (if there is someone there, that is) seems like a priority. And should there be nobody, we'd better find out ASAP, to adjust our overall strategy. The warriors may explore the interior later, there will be plenty of time later...

Thus, my choice would be:
Conan - E
Gaul - SE