Next turn plans 60AD to 1240AD

[vondrack]

Originally posted by donegeal
Legoland: Pre-WWI USA. They are the peaceful builders of this world. They were blessed with large territory and no one to contended for it. Yes the US beat up on the indians to take the country, but Lego did also by beating back the barbarians that were running all over their land. Lego has the potential to have the most land, production and commerce. When the Great Bobian war broke out, they were in no position to lend aid to either side as their military only had to deal with barbarians. They eventually mustered some forces together and landed them on the side of ND/GoW for reasons that have been discussed in great detail in the AAR thread. Although they never lost a single hip point in battle, the mere preasense on the side of ND/GoW was the straw that broke the back of the RP/GS alliance. They might not yet be the front-runners in terms of economy yet, but they will be soon. They are the front runners for victory in the game.

This post of donegeal in the public forum inspired me to check our demographic standings compared to other teams again...

Here we go:

Mfg. Goods:  235, 174, 144, 115, 38, 31
GNP:            567, 547, 395, 343, 135, <109
Productivity: 772, 676, 454, 441, 164, 108

Dunno... I'd think we already are front-runners in terms of economy...

But seriously... consider these numbers top secret. If others knew how much behind us in shield production they are, they'd probably do something desperate and things could get messy.

My gut feeling would be that GS is generally #2, GoW #3, and ND #4. Not sure about the last two positions.

Also... as you can see, we are not doing very well in the GNP department. The second team (most likely GS) is breathing at our neck. We need to raise a couple of marketplaces/libraries, maybe even a bank/university or two... but that's the plan anyway, so... just making sure we are aware of that we need to keep building infra.

Total population points:

169 ... Lego
149 ... GS
111 ... GoW
_93 ... ND
_30 ... Vox
_28 ... RP

Military standings: average vs. GS, GoW, and ND, strong vs. Vox & RP - no surprises.

Technologies lacking:

GS: Music Theory, Chemistry, Navigation
RP: Music Theory, Chemistry, Navigation
Vox: Monarchy, Chemistry, Navigation

GoW: Monarchy, Printing Press, Music Theory, Navigation
ND: Monarchy, Printing Press, Music Theory, Astronomy, Navigation

Note: looking at it... how about making ND happy and offering them Astronomy for 20 turns of ivory?

[ZargonX]

Note: looking at it... how about making ND happy and offering them Astronomy for 20 turns of ivory?

That sounds like a good plan. They would just eventually get it from GoW anyway, down the line.

[vondrack]

BTW... I have just exchanged a quick PM with Beta of Vox. Even without telling them to, they've prearranged a Democracy (to be completed in about 18 turns) for Metallurgy trade with GoW. This is absolutely perfect for us - if you check the last post in The Enlightened thread, where I made some quick number crunching, this means we will be able to jump into the industrial era with just a single turn of waiting, being able to set our research goal according to what Voxes get as their free industrial tech.

Yay!

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by vondrack
Note: looking at it... how about making ND happy and offering them Astronomy for 20 turns of ivory?

Sounds good

[ZargonX]

BTW... I have just exchanged a quick PM with Beta of Vox. Even without telling them to, they've prearranged a Democracy (to be completed in about 18 turns) for Metallurgy trade with GoW. This is absolutely perfect for us - if you check the last post in The Enlightened thread, where I made some quick number crunching, this means we will be able to jump into the industrial era with just a single turn of waiting, being able to set our research goal according to what Voxes get as their free industrial tech.

Yay!

Excellent! What's the ETA on Demo now, or did they not say?

[vondrack]

ETA on Democracy is 18 turns now.

[vondrack]

Note, please, that I've made a number of changes in the plan for Turn 177 - all of them based upon detailed GA analyses I spent a couple of hours with. Find all of them in the GA thread.

[vondrack]

Plans for 540AD (Turn 170):

Unit Movement/Actions

1) Triumph to move S-S-S
2) Golden Hind to move SW-SW-SW
3) G.G. to move S-S-S
slowly forming our western naval screen - I will try to post some kind of a plan so that we can see where the caravels need to be positioned

4) J.K. to move N-NE-NE, then fortify (forming part of our eastern naval screen

5) G.B. & N.C. to move E-E-E (LEF withdrawal plan)

6) Arthur & Attila to move NW-NW-NW-N-NW and fortify in the CastleJack whitecamp
7) Dycedarg (Jackson-DF whitecamp) to move NW-NW-NW en route to the CastleJack whitecamp

8) Horace & Misty to move SW-SW-SW-W-SW-S en route to the F'm-Sand whitecamp

9) Lancelot & Silver to move S-S-S-S and fortify in the DF-Tar whitecamp
10) Troy & Hunter (DF-Tar whitecamp) to move S-SE-S-S and fortify in the TarZar whitecamp
11) Geraint & Percivale (TarZar whitecamp) to move SE-SE-SE-S and fortify in the ZarCross whitecamp
12) Tristan & Bedivere (ZarCross whitecamp) to move S-S and fortify in the CrossLog whitecamp
13) Merlin & Uther (CrossLog whitecamp) to move S-SW-SW-SW and fortify in the TibLog
14) Brego & Lamorak (TibLog whitecamp) to move SW-SW-SW-SW-SW-SW en route to AbiTip whitecamp

15) Ector to fortify in the QM-Abi whitecamp

16) Victor to move SW-SW-S-S-S-SW to the S'h-F'm whitecamp

17) 15th Catapult to move SE and fortify in the Tib-Log whitecamp

18) new ('16th') catapult finished in Oasis to move N-NW-W en route to the F'm-Sand whitecamp

19) Merc Twain to upgrade to musketman for 60g

20) MightyMerc & Dyetrich (Ahhmyfoot) to move SE-SE-SE, en route to the HorseTib whitecamp

21) Mercedes to move SW-S-SW, en route to Panama for an upgrade

22) Shadowfax to move S-SW-SW and fortify in the S'h-F'm whitecamp

23) Maltese Knight to move S

24) Julien to move SW-W-S en route to the SE

25) Phar Lap to move SE-E and upgrade to knight for 80g


Worker Movement/Actions

26) Jason Jr. to move S-S-S en route to Kloreepville

27) Charlie to move E-SE and mine

28) Red or Purple to move SE and mine
29) White & Yellow to road
30) Pink to wait for White & Yellow to finish the road, then to move E-NE and mine
as per the GA plan for Dye Fields

31) Fritz to move S-E and mine

32) Peter & Patrick to road

33) Toby Jr. to move E and mine
34) Stanley Jr. to mine as per the Sharpehaven GA plan

35) new worker finished in Farmerville to be named 'Dean' and move SW-SW
as per the Farmerville GA plan

36) Philippe to irrigate

37) Jimbo to move SW-SW, then road and mine

38) Ken to mine
39) Jesse to move NW and mine

40) Bill to move W-SW and mine
41) Rover to move E and mine

42) Jacob to mine
43) David to move N and mine

44) new worker finished in Tiberium to be named 'Felix' and moved W-W-W, then road

45) Mark to road

46) Chris to mine

47) Farmer to road


City Management

48) Farmerville to work all available riverbank tiles, start another worker

49) Karina labourer from the irrigated plains S-SW to the roaded grassland SW of the city; start musketman
to free the plains for Camp David (we still get the shield here, as the grass will get mined at the end of this turn)

50) Dye Fields to work 4 dyes grasses, mined bonus grass, and the hill; start library

51) Camp David to work irrigated plains NW-NW and two hills (S, S-SW)

52) Tiberium labourer from the roaded/mined grassland N-NE to the roaded/mined grassland N-NW of the city; start another worker

53) Logville to work all non-hill tiles including the mined grass in the Tiberium radius

54) Oasis to start another catapult

55) Kloreepville to work all improved tiles but the roaded/mined grassland S-SE of the city

56) Castlea to work all improved tiles and 1 coast

[vondrack]

Plans for 550AD (Turn 171):

Unit Movement/Actions

1) Golden Hind to move SW-SW-SW
2) Triumph to move S-S-S
3) G.G. to move S-S-S
4) new caravel finished in Kloreepville to be named 'Horatio Nelson' and moved NW-NW-NW
slowly forming our western naval screen - I will try to post some kind of a plan so that we can see where the caravels need to be positioned

5) J.K. to fortify, forming part of our eastern naval screen

6) G.B. & N.C. to move E-E-E
7) LEF4 & LEF5 to embark G.B. and N.C.
(LEF withdrawal plan)

8) Dycedarg to move NW-NW and fortify in the CastleJack whitecamp

9) Mercedes to move W-W and upgrade to musketman for 60g
10) Merced (Panama garrison) to upgrade to musketman for 60g

11) Horace & Misty to move S-W-W-W-N and fortify in the K'v-F'm whitecamp

12) Victor to fortify in the S'h-F'm whitecamp

13) 16th Catapult to move NW-NW-NW en route to the F'm-S'h whitecamp

14) Maltese Knight to fortify in the Sand-Abi whitecamp

15) Julien to move SW-W-W en route to Q.M. (to replace Freddie
16) Freddie (Q.M. garrison) to move E en route to Karina for an upgrade

17) Phar Lap to move S-SW-SW-SW-SW-W

18) Merc Twain to move S-SE-S, en route to Horsefish (to replace MercG)
19) MercG (Horsefish garrison) to move N-N-N

20) MightyMerc & Dyetrich (Ahhmyfoot) to move S and fortify, in the HorseTib whitecamp

21) Brego & Lamorak (TibLog whitecamp) to move SW-W-NW and fortify in the AbiTip whitecamp


Worker Movement/Actions

22) Jinxo to irrigate

23) Jason Jr. to move S-SE-S en route to Kloreepville

24) George to irrigate

25) White to join Dye Fields
26) Yellow to join Dye Fields
27) Orange to join Dye Fields
28) Purple to join Dye Fields
29) Red to join Dye Fields
as per the GA plan for Dye Fields

30) Peter & Patrick to road

31) Warwick to move NW-W and irrigate

32) Toby Jr. or Stanley Jr. to move E-SE and mine
as per the Sharpehaven GA plan

33) Fritz to move NE-E and irrigate
34) Ira to move S and mine
as per the Red Bricks GA plan

35) Duncan to mine
36) Dean to road
as per the Farmerville GA plan

37) Adam Jr. & Ivan to road

38) Frank Jr. to move NW, then mine & road

39) Jimbo to road

40) Felix to road

41) Ken or Jesse to move SE and mine

42) Chris & Kirk to move NE and mine


City Management

43) Legopolis to work all available improved tiles but deserts

44) Red Bricks to work all improved tiles

45) Dye Fields to work all improved tiles

46) Sharpehaven labourer from the roaded/mined grassland SW to the hill NE of the city

47) Tarzania to work fish, three bonus grasses (1 irrigated, 1 mined, 1 roaded), two irrigated regular grasses, and one mined regular grass
maxxing the growth

48) Camp David labourer from irrigated plains NW-NW to the mined hill W to nail the barracks in 1

49) Kloreepville labourer from the irrigated grassland W-NW to the roaded bonus grassland SW-SW (being irrigated)
to free the irrigated grassland for Invoice

50) Invoice labourers from coasts to the grasses SE-SE & S-SE

51) Ahhmyfoot labourer from the hill NW-NW to the irrigated plains NE-NE
to free the hill for Q.M.

52) Crossing to start a caravel

53) Q.M. to switch production to settler, goldrush for 4*4=16g, then switch back to horseman; labourer from the unimproved bonus grassland to the hill SE-SE
to nail the horse in 1, then more horses at 3t

54) Abilene to partially rush the cat build for 4*1=4g to 10S (using a worker), if necessary; work all improved grasslands and 1 unimproved grassland

55) Horsefish to switch production to courthouse
trying to figure out how to shave 1 turn off the temple build, I have found out the corruption here is ~40%! As we do not need the temple urgently here, I suggest we do a courthouse first (this also solves the problem of wasting all but 1 shield on the last turn of the temple build).

56) Tipperary to work both improved grasses and iron hill

57) Port Hammer to work fish and both plains

[vondrack]

Plans for 560AD (Turn 172):

Unit Movement/Actions

1) H.N. to move W-SW-SW
2) Golden Hind to move SW and fortify
3) G.G. to fortify
slowly forming our western naval screen - I will try to post some kind of a plan so that we can see where the caravels need to be positioned

4) G.B. & N.C. to move W-W-W
(LEF withdrawal plan)

5) Merced & Mercedes to fortify in Panama

6) 16th Catapult to move W-W-NW to the F'm-S'h whitecamp

7) Freddie (Q.M. garrison) to move E en route to Karina for an upgrade
8) Julien to move W, then SW and fortify in Q.M.

9) Phar Lap to move N and fortify in the QM-Abi whitecamp

10) Merc Twain to move S and fortify in Horsefish

11) MercG to move NW and upgrade to musketman for 60g

12) new horseman finished in Q.M. to be named 'Black Knight' and moved NE-N-E-SE en route to Karina for an upgrade

13) new ('17th') Catapult finished in Oasis to move N-NW-W en route to the S'h-F'm whitecamp


Worker Movement/Actions

14) Jack to mine

15) Jason Jr. to move E and mine

16) Forrest & Leopold to road

17) Peter to move N-NW and mine

18) Patrick to move E-E and mine
19) Martin to mine

20) Toby Jr. to move E-SE and mine
as per the Sharpehaven GA plan

21) Michael Jr. moving N-N-NE
22) new worker finished in Farmerville to be named 'Francis', move SW-SW, and mine
as per the Farmerville GA plan

23) Adam Jr. to move NE-NE-N

24) Ivan to irrigate

25) Frank Jr. to mine

26) Philippe to move W, then road & mine

27) Joe to road

28) Ken to move SE and mine

29) Chris or Kirk to move NE-N, then road

30) Eric & Liam to move W-S and mine

31) Luke to move S-SE and mine
32) Logger to move NE and mine

33) new worker finished in Tiberium to be named 'Citizen Tarzan' and moved N-N-N
heading for Tarzania (should be there just soon enough to help boosting the pop to 12 when the GA start)


City Management

34) Farmerville to work all riverbank tiles; start marketplace

35) Forkmouth to work all improved tiles but the mined deserts

36) Logville labourer from irrigated plains W-NW to the riverbank hill NW-NW; start a library

37) Sharpehaven to work all grasslands and three hills (incl. the gold hill)

38) Oasis to start another catapult

39) Camp David labourer from the hill W to the irrigated plains NW-NW; start a musket

40) Tiberium to work all available grasslands and the hill SE; start another worker

41) Q.M. labourer from the hill SE-SE back to the unimproved bonus grassland S-SW

42) Nou Camp to work both irrigates grasslands and mined bonus grassland

Note: if my calculations are correct, we will be able to nail Economics on Turn 173 by researching at 10%. With many more marketplaces than libraries and no need to race ahead in techs too much, I figured we'd rather use the extra cash to goldrush something we'd like to have a wee bit sooner (like libs or courthouses).

[vondrack]

Plans for 570AD (Turn 173):

Unit Movement/Actions

1) H.N. to move SW-SW-SW

2) G.B. & N.C. to move W-W-W
3) LEF units to land W
completing the LEF withdrawal plan

4) 16th Catapult to move SW-SW and upgrade to cannon for 40g
5) 17th Catapult to move W-W-NW en route to Forkmouth for an upgrade

6) Freddie to move E-NE and upgrade to musketman for 60g (our last merc)

7) Julien to move SW and fortify

8) Black Knight to move SE-E and upgrade to knight for 80g

9) MercG to move SE-S-S en route back to Horsefish

10) Blaster & 5th Catapult (Jackson-DF whitecamp) to move N-N and upgrade to cannons for 2*40=80g
11) 10th & 12th Catapults (CastleJack whitecamp) to move SE-SE-SE to Jackson for an upgrade
12) Crusher & 6th Catapult (DF-Tarz whitecamp) to move S-SE and upgrade to cannons for 2*40=80g

13) new ('18th') Catapult finished in Abilene to move N-E-E en route to Ahhmyfoot for an upgrade

14) new ('33rd') musketman finished in Forkmouth to move NW-NW, and fortified in the S'h-F'm whitecamp

15) new ('34th') musketman finished in Zargonia to move S-S and fortify in the ZarCross whitecamp

16) new ('35th') musketman finished in Karina to move W-SW-W en route to the CrossLog whitecamp

17) new ('36th') musketman finished in Ahhmyfoot to move SW-W-N to QM-Abi whitecamp


Worker Movement/Actions

18) Jinxo to move S-SW-S

19) Charlie to move E and mine to finish the Legopolis GA preparations

20) Pink to move SW-S-E, then help Adam Jr.

21) Adam Jr. to road

22) Gus to move N-NW and mine

23) Michael Jr. to road
as per the Farmerville GA plan

24) Dean to move E-SE, then road

25) Fritz to move N, then clear jungle

26) Toby Jr. & Stanley Jr. to move E-E-E, then E, then clear jungle for Tarzania

27) Warwick to move N and mine

28) Forrest & Leopold to mine

29) Philippe to road

30) Kirk to road

31) Ken & Jesse to move SE and mine

32) Farmer to mine
33) Chris to move NE and mine

34) Mark to move NE, then road

35) Jacob to move W-W-W, then road

36) David to move SE-SE and mine

37) Bill & Rover to move SE-SE and mine

38) Tarzan to move N-NW-NW
heading for Tarzania (should be there just soon enough to help boosting the pop to 12 when the GA start)


City Management

36) Panama labourer from the hill S to the coast N of the city; start knight

37) Forkmouth labourer from the coast to the mined grassland W-NW of the city; start marketplace

38) Karina & Nou Camp to switch working the hill and bonus grassland

39) Karina to start library

40) Zargonia to start marketplace

41) Logville to work all riverbank tiles, both irrigated grasslands, the mined grassland N-NW & one more hill

42) Camp David labourer from the plains NE-NE to the mined grassland E-SE

43) Kloreepville labourer from a hill to the coast
we still nail the caravel in 1 thanks to Jason Jr. finishing the mine

44) Ahhmyfoot to work grasslands S, SE, SW, S-SW, and hills NE & SE-SE, start musketman

45) Abilene to start courthouse


46) research slider to 10%

[ZargonX]

Vox said Demo in 6 turns with the latest save. That's ahead of schedule, isn't it? I guess their commerce must be improving

[vondrack]

Originally posted by ZargonX
Vox said Demo in 6 turns with the latest save. That's ahead of schedule, isn't it? I guess their commerce must be improving

Well, the save I received from Rhothaerill said 9 turns, but that's still ahead of the schedule.

One thing I noticed playing the last turn... Physics is 20% cheaper, which - if I am not mistaken - means TWO other teams have already discovered it?! One would be GS... but who's the other one? It's not RP, as RP lack Chemistry...

[vondrack]

Plans for 590AD (Turn 175):

Unit Movement/Actions

1) I.N. to move S and fortify
2) Intrepid to move W-SW-SW
3) H.N. to move S-S-S
4) G.H. to move S-S-S
5) Triumph to move S-S-S
6) G.G. to move S-S-S

7) G.B. to fortify
8) N.C. to move SE-SE-SE
forming our naval screens (I have pinpointed precise positions for all our caravels - will post a pic shortly)

9) Merciless to move N-NW and fortify in the Castle-Jack whitecamp
10) Blaster & 5th Cannon to fortify in the Castle-Jack whitecamp

11) 10th & 12th Cannons to move S-S and fortify in the Jackson-DF whitecamp

12) new ('37th') musketman finished in Tarzania to move S-S and fortify in the TarZar whitecamp
13) Athos (TarZar whitecamp) to move SE-SE-SE, then S and fortify in the ZarCross whitecamp

14) 7th & 13th Cannons to move S-S and fortify in the ZarCross whitecamp
15) Fire & 9th Catapult to move N-N and upgrade to cannons for 2*40=80g

16) Freddie to move NE and fortify in the CrossLog whitecamp

17) 11th & 15th Cannons to move E and fortify in the LogTib whitecamp

18) Merc Twain to fortify

19) new horseman finished in Q.M. to move NE-N-E-SE, then to Karina for an upgrade

20) 17th Cannon to move NW-NW and fortify in the S'h-F'm whitecamp

21) 14th Cannon to move N-N and fortify in the K'v-S'h whitecamp


Worker Movement/Actions

22) Jack and/or George to move S-S and irrigate

23) Jason Jr. to move NW, then clear jungle
24) Martin & Patrick to move N-N, then clear jungle

25) Leopold to move E-E and wait (to be joined next turn)

26) Peter to move SE-SE-SE
27) Patrick & Warwick to move SE-SE
heading for S'haven to join it

28) Francis to move E-SE and mine

29) Ira or Duncan to move N-NW-N
30) Michael Jr. to move SE-E, then clear jungle

31) Pink, Adam Jr., and Ivan to mine

32) Tarzan to move N-N-N, then clear jungle

33) Luke & Logger to move W-W, then mine
34) Joe to move S, then road

35) Zargonian to move N-NE-NE, en route to Zargonia

36) Jesse, David, & Ken to move NW-W and mine

37) Eric & Liam to move NE and mine

38) Jimbo to mine


City Management

39) Panama to generate half the shields needed to finish the knight in 2t

40) Forkmouth to partially goldrush its marketplace to 70S

41) Dye Fields to nail library in 1t (probably stay as is)

42) Tarzania to work max production and start marketplace (missing pop points will be joined workers)

43) Q.M. to start another horseman

[ZargonX]

Someone else has physics? I can only imagine it is ND... GS sold it to them, perhaps?