Defense Treaty Offer from Roleplay.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

From Togas:

This is a draft only.


DEFENSE PACT BETWEEN GLORY OF WAR AND SPAIN:

In the event that either party to this agreement is attacked by Neu
Demoglyptica,
the other party shall immediately declare war on Neu Demoglyptica and
shall
commit the majority of their military towards the conquest or
destruction of Neu
Demoglyptica.

Should Neu Demoglyptica settle in areas that are claimed by either
party, and
should the offended party declare war on Neu Demoglyptica, the other
party to
this pact must also declare war and shall commit the majority of their
military
towards the conquest or destruction of Neu Demoglyptica.

Once the war has begun the leaders of both nations shall meet, exchange
combat
and spy information, and attempt to cooperate as much as possible in
the joint
war effort.

Neither party may negotiate a separate peace with Neu Demoglpytica.
Peace with
Neu Demoglyptica must be agreed on by all parties.

This pact shall last for 100 turns.

[Panzer32]

Reply:

j/k

[Hot_Enamel]

What would happen if we agree to it....and declare war on RP first....before ND

[Ennet]

well if RP attacks ND it would be no prob then we dont need to attack ND. and it dont say we can't attack eachother during this period of time...
so if we attack RP we dont break it...

And when in war treaties are cancelled, not?
EDIT: Or atleast all will understand we cant follow it when we are at war etc.

Another possibility, if we fake attack ND the treaty isn't activated but surely RP will take the opportunity to attack ND. (pact still isn't activated) Now we can make peace to ND and back stab RP with our hands clean..

There is many ways around this treaty, and just getting RP to feel comfy is worth the effort..
/EDIT

[Panzer32]

What would happen if we agree to it....and declare war on RP first....before ND

The wording is that so if ND attacks RP, even if us and RP are at war, it still applies (of course, we could just ignore it). There is 2 possibilities:

1. RP attacks ND, in which case the treaty isn't valid and we can get them.
2. We talk with ND and arrange for us to declare war first, then on the next turn, ND declares. Thus, we can ignore the treaty and other teams would pretty much understand.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I think we need to string Roleplay along until we declare war.

[Donegeal]

Should Neu Demoglyptica settle in areas that are claimed by either
party, and
should the offended party declare war on Neu Demoglyptica, the other
party to
this pact must also declare war and shall commit the majority of their
military
towards the conquest or destruction of Neu Demoglyptica.

Stringing along should be easy as this statement would requier a border agreement to be able to enforce this.

However, I think we should haggle about this for a little while and then agree to it almost as it is.

If we do this, RP will think they have both us and ND in their back pocket.

[Hot_Enamel]

Our Rep will be worth nothing after GS.

We may come out a little better, if we claim the units belong to Vox.....but I doubt it.

GS will take whatever we sign but will remain very wary. I dont think they will fully trust us, so we must also accept, that they could go for another MPP partner.

Lego...unlikely.
Vox...possibly....I dont think Vox particulary enjoyed us extorting engineering? from them.

When Vox finishes with GS...they may be pumped up and ready to take on the next victom....we will have to divert their attention away from us.

[Panzer32]

I think Vox will be severely weakened after the GS campaign. Thus, I don't think they would be an immediate threat. I think they would be more likely to try and settle the Lego continent some.

Weren't we talking about the Voxians helping somewhat on the Roleplay campaign? Or did that not pan out?

[Hot_Enamel]

I think, our rep will be screwed after GS...So we might as well as bury it with RP.

String them out as much as possible....but eventually agree.

Then we backstab them and declare war.

Once RP is gone, there will be only 4.

Hopefully, Vox will be in our back pocket...and ND will be wanting to use their UU's to their best advantage just like us.

We have to work on Vox & ND...and convince them that the greatest threat is Lego. (Which is true)

3 civ aliance against Lego !!!

Then we reconfirm our aliance with ND...telling them Vox is next.

But then we contact Vox...and tell them it is time for the Apolyton teams to unite and remove the Germans.

My choice would be to choose this time to backstab ND. I would rather have Vox & GoW as the last two.

And if we cant roll them 1v1...then we might as well surrender now.


P.S. ... I just checked our science advisor as posted by GF.
Here is the link for those of us who missed it. I did
Science Advisor

[Inverse Icarus]

100 turns? jesus f*ck!

[UnOrthOdOx]

Originally posted by UberKruX
100 turns? jesus f*ck!

Who said we expected them to be around that long?

[Master Zen]

Well folks, I've been doing some talking with our RP buddies and they are again pressing for an alliance (defensive) against ND.

However, this time they came at me with a little twist which sounded interesting as I could be used to our favor.

Basically they now seem to be worried about the GS war and apprently want to settle on some sort of combined alliance between them, us, and Vox to take out GS.

I told them I liked the idea and then hinted at launching a major assault against GS but somehow misleading ND as towards the size of that attack. My idea was to see how many troops they would be willing to spare and how soon could they be able to deploy them.

I hinted at 6 swordsmen as an ideal amount. They problem say them is that they don't have galleys. They will have one in 3 turns and the next in 9 turns.

Ok, so 4 swordsmen. They wanted our map. I said if they rushed the galley we might be willing to gift the map as compensation. So let's say we get 2 galleys off towards GS land, I said we could have 4 units there quickly too, 8 units total for this "expeditionary force"

My idea of course is to see how many troops they would divert from their home front. After all, our own "expeditionary" could for all intents be our current galley and 1 empty one

Of couse they said it would be best if they got Feudalism early.

First of all, we'd suffer a reputation hit, and second of all, if we did, we would have to increase our asking price of 75 gold as it would be earlier than inteneded. Anyway, nothing conclusive about this as I did not want to sound willing to actually trade for this.

Point is, they really want an alliance with us, and keep insisting that we are each other's "natural allies". Yes, right, whatever... I'm sure our Riders will agree

Anyway, I think we can still fool around with them a bit before accepting a modified version of the MPP. Since I see Togas and BigFree almost every night in the ISDG chat I'm sure the issue will be brought on constantly.

If you want I can include a chat log. I'll see how much I can push RP sending troops to the Vox-RP without giving them Feudalism. "hell, theres a bunch of undefended cities, you don't need Med Infs!!"

anyway, something along those lines.

Anything we should start working on the defense treaty and making it as possibly loop-holey as possible

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Don't give them anything for free, we're almost Republican Capitalists.

[Donegeal]

Hmmm.... I had never thought about RP when thinking about the Vox/GS conflict. This could be a nice side effect to a deal with RP. If we publicly ink a defensive treaty with RP (which we know we will either break or find a loop-hole in) then it would give RP the idea that ND is less likely to attack either us or them making them more likely to want to commit troops to the Little Bob conflict. We, of course tell ND that RP is commiting troops over to little Bob while RP still thinks that ND thinks they are at full strentgh on Bob. We give ND continuous troop info about RP so they (and us) know when the best time to attack is.

I think we need to get this signed soon, very soon...
Damn we are