Ask an ex-Luxian:

[Zero]

I can give you access to the save files, but I didnt want to do that before (wasnt quite sure if that would be considered "cheating") I see no reasons to protect a dead teams save file, so I will send a save file to GF.

Calc, you seem to be harboring some ill will towards ND. Could you elaborate on the dealings (both negative and positive) Lux and yourself had with ND? Could you post Chat logs or tech trade treaties? What is the sorce of these feelings (or are they mostly because they are the ones who kicked Lux off bob?)?

Sure. I will dig up for chat logs with ND when I have time (but some threads that had chat logs and wasnt stored have been wiped out).

I personally dont have ill feeling toward ND, although the team in general did. You should know though, my perception of the game is that "ND will eventually win, oh my god they are too powerful, they started with an extra settler, OMG OMG"

Just keep that in mind when you hear my views on ND

Ack DP. I quoted myself instead of editting...

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

My address is GhengisFarb AT yahoo DOT com.

If you and MasterZen want me to forward the saves when I get them send me an email requesting it and I will add you to the list.

[Zero]

isent the email attachment. Hopefully u got them GF.

[Master Zen]

I sent you an e-mail too GF

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I sent both of you the save, I couldn't access Apoly at the time though.

[Master Zen]

I think I'm starting to grasp the mentality of Vox, it's pretty hard to explain in writting, I gues that first and foremost they are a very idiosyncratic team. They seem like the kind of people that mess up yet try all they can to put the blame on others to the point that they end up believing it.

Like Calc II said, every dealing with them must be crystal clear but still, they are still perhaps a trustworthy team if we can work around their nuisances. They are not the type of allies you want to have for a long time though, but they seem to be able to be trusted to accomplish something that is of course well within their interests, in this case wiping out GS.

I think it is in everyone's interest that GS be eliminated. Vox apparently will like the idea. The question is will ND? I'm thinking that ND's declaration of war towards Vox can serve as the maskirova. It may fool RP and GS into thinking that there will be a major effort against Vox while in fact it leaves us with a free hand to strike at GS.

Now the million-dollar question: can Vox with our aid crush GS?

[Donegeal]

I agree with your sentiment here MZ.
I also feel you are correct that ND distrust and angst against Vox could work to our favor tremondously. The reason is because of the answer to your million dollar question:
No, Vox, with our aid, cannot defeat GS.

However, Vox, with our aid (in troops) and that of ND (again with troops) can topple the strat genius of GS.
Like I said before, GS in control of all of Little Bob is something to fear. Vox in control of the same land is a joke.

But I diverge from the point of this thread. Sorry for hijacking your Thread Calc. I'll come up with some more questions when I'm not at work.

[Zero]

hahahah

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I'm telling you Vox should be able to handle GS. They will have a horrendus amount of Immortals from all this building Warriors here to upgrade them there.

They are selling Monotheism to us, Roleplay, AND Lego. We help them out and we should be their favorite friends when this is over with. Hopefully able to twist them into attacking who we want them to (think Lego).

[Zero]

Vox cannot handle GS... but if they do end up spending all their treasury for upgrading immortals they might have a shot. How much is warrior to swordmen upgrade?

I cannot know for sure just how prepared GS is agst VOx. I'd say they would be very prepared because they should know for sure that they are next to the ancient powerhouse civ. GS is no joke team. They got alot of SPDGers. Im guessing they have plenty of wc to backup them up and I have a feeling they will use the WC's far more efficiently agst the Vox by picking them off before Immortas even have a chance attacking them.

[Master Zen]

It won't be too easy to pick of Immortals though. The immortals' 1-tile movement invariably means it is best moved though any terrain (in fact avoiding plains and grasslands would be ideal). If the immortals come up through rough terrain it would be extremely hard to pick them off with WC. Escorting them with some Spearmen will even make it much more tougher to knock out an Immortal stack.

In any case I think our best strategy is to employ Horsemen against their WC preferably as they cross flat terrain. If ND helps us out with some Swordsmen, even better.

[Zero]

Beta told me before that a good chunk of mountain cuts off vox from the GS, which was vital to their early survival... But if WE are the ones invading, we will have to cross the mountain and into the territory that even the Vox doesnt know (GS didnt permit investigating their territory). They're really strong so it would be safe to assume their territory permits quick growth.. aka good amount of grasslands.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Vox and GS have the two WEAKEST military strengths according to the military advisor. So, I'm thinking a sudden spurt of Immortal building could give Vox a 50%+ numerical superiority.