Ask an ex-Luxian:

[Zero]

Ok, I'm guessing alot of you guys have many questions you want to ask to a Luxian w/ full disclosure on their secrets. Sadly, there was no historical record, just my memory and bunch of chat text on my HD.

Ask me a Q. I'll try to answer it the best as I can.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Why is the Lux Forum still there?

[Zero]

I dunno, but I still have access to it.

[Donegeal]

What was the Luxian deal with Vox to move to their continent?

Oh, and welcome aboard!!!

[Zero]

Originally posted by donegeal
What was the Luxian deal with Vox to move to their continent?

Oh, and welcome aboard!!!

perma alliance, full tech sharing, whopping amt of Gold and GPT... etc.

EDIT: original doc found.

The Lux Invicta team and Vox Controli team hereby agree to all of the following:

- On the turn of 1550 BC, the Vox Controli team hereby agrees to send the Lux Invicta team a trade offering the city "Portia" with the status of "ACCEPTED" when sent.

- This city will be held by the Lux Invicta team for an undetermined period of time until after Lux Invicta has built a new city on another continent or landmass, or later than that as otherwise agreed to by Vox Controli. When this aspect of the contract expires and the Lux Invicta team is set to relinquish control of "Portia", the Vox Controli team is hereby permitted to declare war on the Lux Invicta team, and regain control of the city. After this, the teams will then make peace at the earliest opportunity.

- During the time of occupation of this city, the Lux Invicta team is hereby prohibited from settling any new cities on the continent upon which the Vox Controli team resides, unless agreed to by Vox Controli. They will not give possession of this city to any other team during the contract period, and will return the city to Vox Controli control via the process described above only at the conclusion of this treaty. During possession of this city, Lux Invicta agrees to produce at least one worker and to use that worker to either remove jungle from, and/or make improvements to, the tiles adjacent to "Portia". This worker will be left in the city for Vox Controli as per the re-possession process described above.

- For compensation of this treaty, the Lux Invicta team hereby agrees to send to the Vox Controli team, a sum of 6 technologies total. 3 of these will be the free technologies given to scientific civilizations per era, and 3 other techs, one from each of the following eras remaining in the game. The actual techs to be given will be agreed to by the Lux Invicta and Vox Controli teams at the earliest and most convenient opportunity possible. Should this not be ahered to for reason of common decision by both the Lux Invicta or Vox Controli teams, this treaty is void. If there are other unavoidable problems not brought about directly by actions of either team, then a resolution to this situation will be negotiated by the two teams.

- The Lux Invicta team also agrees to provide the Vox Controli the sum of 150 gold, minus whatever is found to be necessary to acquire the "Map Making" technology, as is needed by the Lux Invicta team.

- From this day forward, the two teams of Lux Invicta and Vox Controli will swear an alliance of friendship with each other, forever coming to each others aid when necessary, and never acting towards each other in a hostile manner, except for the one condition mentioned above for the re-possession of "Portia". This term will lie in place until agreed to by both the Lux Invicta and Vox Controli teams to void it, should this ever be desired by both the teams.

- The expiration of this contract will take place only when officially declared VOID by both teams. From that point on, the status quo will be re-established, minus the terms of this agreement which have set forth as otherwise. The Vox Controli team will then regain control of the city "Portia" by any means deemed necessary.

Lux Invicta
Document signed as official by 'Trip', King of the Lux Invicta team.
1550 BC

Document signed as official by 'BetaHound', Voice of Foreign Affairs for Vox Controli.
1550BC

[Hot_Enamel]

And what part of this agreement was Lux not adhereing to ? (or adhereing to "the spirit of"). ie what did Lux/Vox do that caused them to take the city back.

Also...what do you know about the payoff Vox did to GS. Apparantly they had to pay some of that Luxian gold to GS.

[=OttomusCeasar=]

Hmmm, I don't see how the free tech thing worked. Doesn' t Vox get those free techs already? I thought they were getting Monotheism for free so wouldn't that be redundant?

[Zero]

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
And what part of this agreement was Lux not adhereing to ? (or adhereing to "the spirit of"). ie what did Lux/Vox do that caused them to take the city back.

nuthing. They just thought we would be a burdern so they killed us off.

Also...what do you know about the payoff Vox did to GS. Apparantly they had to pay some of that Luxian gold to GS.

As far as I know, thats bull. There's no evidence of GS recieving anything specific to ensure our survival. I think its somethign beta added in to the form to embellish importance of Vox's generosity.. Then again i may be wrong.

[Zero]

Originally posted by =OttomusCeasar=
Hmmm, I don't see how the free tech thing worked. Doesn' t Vox get those free techs already? I thought they were getting Monotheism for free so wouldn't that be redundant?

It wouldnt have if Vox traded all the era tech to us. In order for it to work we would have to research the last era tech by ourself, have the option to choose our free tech, and give it to vox... or we would have to risk it all on chance (its not 100% guarantee that you get mono)

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by Calc II

As far as I know, thats bull. There's no evidence of GS recieving anything specific to ensure our survival. I think its somethign beta added in to the form to embellish importance of Vox's generosity.. Then again i may be wrong.

Calc...GS confirmed that they got money from Vox.
1. Because GS was pissed off that Vox sold Lux a city. GS says that Vox is scared of them and so when they demanded a tribute, Vox gave it to them
2. GS also said it was a payment to ensure that they kept quiet and did not announce the location of the Lux city.

I am trying to work out how close GS & Vox work together. Is it true that Vox is scared of GS...thus the reason why Vox wants our help to get rid of them.

OR are they in league, and this animosity between them simply fake, like we are publicly having with ND. If so, this sale of horses could be just an attempt to weaken us and allow an easier invasion for GS.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel

I am trying to work out how close GS & Vox work together. Is it true that Vox is scared of GS...thus the reason why Vox wants our help to get rid of them.

OR are they in league, and this animosity between them simply fake, like we are publicly having with ND. If so, this sale of horses could be just an attempt to weaken us and allow an easier invasion for GS.

Goto War of retribution II thread. I've posted just about all Vox intelligence I have on top of my head (I happened to be Lux Vox ambassador you guys chose a perfect luxian to assimilate!)

Yes Vox is scared stiff of GS. You could see brown stains drooping down their legs.... But Im not too sure if this fact is up to date because Lux screwed up the balance of Vox-Gs by giving them alot of stuff (including Iron Working very early which I would say is the reason why they still exist)

But while Lux was in town, Vox was soooo low tier compared to GS. (GS is like very close to Bob continental civs science wise and maybe ND population wise!!!!)

Oh and you affirmed my hypothesis. The payment Vox made to GS was a tribute. The significance of tribute was probably far greater than "payment to keep Lux existence secret". This was exactly how I thought it happened.

One more thing: How many turns elapsed after Lux was out of the game? I just want to know if my info is still fresh.

[Hot_Enamel]

Next Question....

What did Lux's final world map look like ?

I have just realised that GS and other teams who got Luxian members, would have a fair size of our map already ?

No wonder GS does not want to trade for our map.

[Zero]

good Q... I dont think the latest map survives. But I'll try diggint for it.

[Donegeal]

...at the least, bring up the last Lux save and post a screenie of the map.... if you can (I can't... don't have anything to make screenies). If you can't, give GF the save with the Lux password.

I think there were about 3-10 turns played. I know that is very vague, but I just didn't keep track...

By the terms of the contract, it seems that Vox flat out broke it. They cannot be trusted.

Calc, you seem to be harboring some ill will towards ND. Could you elaborate on the dealings (both negative and positive) Lux and yourself had with ND? Could you post Chat logs or tech trade treaties? What is the sorce of these feelings (or are they mostly because they are the ones who kicked Lux off bob?)?

[Zero]

By the terms of the contract, it seems that Vox flat out broke it. They cannot be trusted.

As much as I'd like to agree with you on this one, I know what the vox's arguement is and it's not a bad one. According to contract we were supposed to present them w/ 3 techs with our sci trait. They didnt think them being Sci would pose any problems. If they gave me sometime I would have explained it to them that we could have still gotten something other than mono, but they didnt even pm us and "took back" their city.

No doubt they are pulling the whole sci trait issue abit too far, and they recieved a whole lot of stuff from us before they convenitenly found a reason to finish us off, but it is still legitimate and the problem with sci trait in contract was genuine (Vox didnt plan on using this intentionally, their team is just full of mistakes). We "technically" didnt (or couldnt) fulfill the contract they thought they had

Thats another thing. Contract is worth sh*+ to Vox controlis. They always end up whining about contract they thoguht they had signed onto. There was this case where we were supposed to give them IW and pottery for 10 gold + 1 gpt(I think). We clearly made them aware that they owed us something in the future and they should research mysticism. Later when we were close to getting mysticism, Jon miller got real upset because he thought that we were going to share ALL techs that we acquire (ala communistic way). We got angry because they refused to trade mysticism for lower tech like Warrior code (something i thought would be fair if we agreed first trade was unfair toward us).

you should ask for vox's POV on this one as well. They had an interesting arguement.

Moral: Be clear and concise with vox controli.






I need GF's email addy.

I will send save file as soon as I get it.