Foreign Affairs Consulate: Vox Controli

[Panzer32]

Now that we know Lux has contact with Vox, Its high time we started diplomatic relations with them.

Question: Should we get Vox involved in the developing war? Of course, they would need mapmaking, but that is just one tech away if they have/are given writing. My only fear is that they might be involved, but come in on the side of Lux, since Lux has previously contacted them, and helped relations between those two countries.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

We can see Vox's cultural zone on the fringe of our map. I sent a memo to Eli, Dissident, and Jon_Miller (3 of their members who play the game) informing them of this and that our warrior would be on the southern hill where it should have a better chance of seeing their territory in two turns.

From Dissident:

yes we do. I'm suprised. I thought another nation may be in your way. It may take a few turns though. We would love to meet your great nation though.

From Jon_Miller:

I think that that could be possible

Jon Miller

I don't want Vox involved. Lux is going to be a cakewalk for us and ND although it might bring Roleplay into the fray on Lux's side.

But ND's going to take the brunt of that attack.

Vox would probably take up some of the territory and we need to claim all of Lux's lands.

[Aggie]

I agree the war with lux should just be us and nd. First we get more that way and second it allows the element of surprise. The more people involved the more likely it is that word will leak out and that could be nothing short of disaster.
Aggie

[Hot_Enamel]

100% Agree

[Panzer32]

edit: I accidently posted this communication from Legoland in the Vox forum

Panzer32,
Following our recent change in administration, I have again been dispatched to re-establish our long silent contacts with your people.
Travellers bring us word of much activity in your part of the world, though as you know, many a tale becomes twisted over time. We would be interested to hear your more official version of things, if you are willing to discuss them. The new Legoland administration looks forward to closer contact in the future.

-ZargonX
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Just wondering if there are any technologies we can trade... like horseback riding. If Lux has already traded them HBR, then Lux broke the deal.

[Panzer32]

I think we need to know if they have any contact with anyone... Then we can do a chain get contacts... like Vox, GS, Lego.

But this probably isn't the case. Should we tell them of our dealings with Lux and Roleplay?

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Panzer32
I think we need to know if they have any contact with anyone... Then we can do a chain get contacts... like Vox, GS, Lego.

But this probably isn't the case. Should we tell them of our dealings with Lux and Roleplay?

They have contact with GS and Lux (I asked them). I think Lego will require Mapmaking which is why I want Writing so bad. I think we could be the first civ to make contact with all the others. Assuming Lux is still around at that point.

[Panzer32]

Sorry - ZargonX is from Legoland

never mind about that latest communication - I will start a new thread for it.

[Panzer32]

PM'd Betahound of Vox:
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BetaHound,

Our warrior is close to making contact with your team, but unfortunatly, we cannot because there is no units in your cultural boarder where we can see them. Our warrior is just across the one tile straight across from your lands. If Vox could please move a unit so that we can make official in game contact, it would be much appreciated. If not, please inform us so that we do not leave our warrior near your lands any longer.

Thank You,

Panzer32
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War

[Hot_Enamel]

Lets ask them about their tech ASAP.

Do they have writing ?

If not, they must be well behind us...unless Lux has been feeding them.

Perhaps offer them a good tech deal, if they study writing now.
eg...2 for 1
1 now, and a 2nd when they give us writing.

Regs

[Panzer32]

Draft of message to Vox:
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Betahound,

The Glory of War has been waiting several turns to receive contact with the Gathering Storm. I hope that this has only been accidental, and that you will trade us the contact next turn. Since the Glory of War has already given you warrior code and horseback riding, we expect you to live up to your part of the deal by giving us the contact. I warn you that if Vox does not give the Glory of War contact with the Gathering Storm within the next turn, Roleplay and Glory of War will sign a trade embargo against Vox.

Thank you,

Panzer32
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Just got a pm from Vox:

Ghengis - this is acceptable to us. I have just played the turn and accepted contact with Neu D, for contact with GS, Mysticism, and 15 gold. You agree to send us mathematics in two turns when completed.

Thank-you for this deal. I am certain it will benefit both our fine nations. Please stay in touch regarding other potential deals. And we wish all the best in your struggles with Lux Invicta.

Regards... and Cheers... Beta.

[Panzer32]

good... now I won't have to send that nasty PM up there...

[Panzer32]

Trying to see what Vox will trade for MM... they haven't replied yet.

[Panzer32]

From Betahound:

Panzer32 - my apologies that it has come to this. We meant no offence. And trust me on this one when I say that if you are frustrated by recent events, we are many times more so. Our good intent is clearly not what has come across through Lux, and as you can guess, the story is somewhat different than is being relayed to you.

We had little idea as to what was being presented to the international community, and I regret that I have not contacted Glory of War earlier to set the matter straight, and to discuss the map making proposal. Our not getting back to you was a function of two things. Fisrt - I have been very busy on a number of fronts. But secondly - we do not have anything to trade with you now or in the near future. We had a technology research issue - maybe indecision would be the better word - that has set us back somewhat. But we would still like to discuss a potential trade. We do have gold.

We value Glory of War's early friendship and the trades we have made. We also value our reputation, which appears to getting dragged through the mud without our knowledge, and based on incorrect information.

It was never our intent to use Lux as a 'puppet' trading nation, nor to have them act in that role. We are more than disturbed that this is the message or image being relayed to you.

I appreciate you being frank with me, as I have been with you. We have some serious deliberations to be done at Vox. I will touch base shortly with you for a longer conversation. For now, you have Vox's apologies, and our best regards.

Sincerely ... Beta

Panzer32 wrote on 04-03-2003 17:29:
Betahound,

Please deal with the Glory of War directly, as negotiating through your Luxian puppets is a waste of both our time.

Panzer32
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War

I remember that we need much gold for upgrading horsemen - maybe we can get a deal for gold together.