Foreign Affairs Consulate: Neu Demogyptica

[Hot_Enamel]

No objections from me....you naughty naughty boy

[Donegeal]

Message sent (via PM) just as it is written above.

[Hot_Enamel]

Hello GF,
thx for your message...
i will send you a long message later this night!

only as an information:
Lux gave Role iron working for alphabet 2 turns ago and lux entered our culture zone with a warrior again without any comments... we really want friendhip wit YOU but my people dont trust Lux :-/

more later
good luck. Borc

If this is not a plea for the preliminary negoitaions of an alliance...I do not know what is.

ND & Lux are going to war. We may have to pick a side very soon.

I would prefer to attack the closest civ...which I believe is Lux at this stage....we need to scout the area to ensure this is true.
To believe that GOW and any nation can live so closely together in peace is impossible. We need local territory for ourselves.

IIRC GF said they have Iron, and perhaps we do not. Lux has also shown its hand by placing an absurd city right next to ND just to steal the horse resource. If we remove this, they will have limited options for offensive.

How long before our non-aggresion pact runs out ?

[Donegeal]

This is the response I got from Borc concerning my letter. It seems that we do indeed have an ally.

Originally posted by Borc via PM
Dear Donegeal,
Thank you very much for your letter. It is a long time ago since you moved the warrior into our territory.
And we were happy that GhengisFarb explained the situation as soon as he could and even just before we recieved the next save and finally you moved your warrior away the next turn.
So Gow did the 100% best to solve the situation and we trust you. Thank you again.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

From Borc this morning:

Dear GhengisFarb,
Finally i have the time to write you a real letter and not only a short message.

First I have to say that we dont forward our letters to somebody else... not in the past and not in the future. This would be against our laws and we will never do it. The only thing was that we told Spain, that we had info that Spain proposed to forge an trio alliance against us... We only wanted to be fair and so we had to give Spain the chance to defend themselves...

My point of view at the moment (many turns later) is that there is still no war on our island and this is a good thing anyway.
We think that the proposal of GoW to form a Tech pact with all 4 nations was very honorable and indeed the best way for us all. We also like the idea to trade with you as soon as possible.
So let us both begin as the two traders on the island. Spain can decide the if they want to participate...

Anyway we have problems with Lux again. we dont fear them but at the moment it seems that they want to cross our land for another 2 turns :-( and many of my people are angry about it... if there will be a crisis we will inform you.

Roleplay broke a tech treaty with you? The only thing we know is, that they got iron working from the ottomans for alphabet. we know this for sure because i make screenshots every turn from the diplomacy screens.

All the things you say about Spain are very interesting. We have a scout there (they dont like it very much, but he is away from their cities). The only thing i can say at the moment is that their land is much bigger than we thought and we even dont know if we all are living on an island or not. The fact is that we even did not see Madrid yet

Yes Spain tries its best to keep the whole big south for themselves. But they have to try it, thats normal.
We only found silk and gems in their country already... maybe there is ivory, we dont know. the next thing we want to verify with our scout is if we are on an island or not.
If we are NOT on the island we think everybody should know this and if my people will allow this i will inform you as soon as possible!

We also think that Lux and ND have to go a bit to the south to give everybody of the 4 teams a good chance.

We would be very proud if you could trade IRON/RIDING with us instead with Lux, we dont want them to have horses as long as they get into our cultural borders :-(
By the way: our next science will be mathematics (in about ~12 turns)

We also can try to get writing from the spains to trade it with you later... because we really think that at least GoW, Role and ND should be well balanced for a long time. We are in the middle of the island and so we are very interested in peace and wealth.

Good luck for the future & my best wishes to donegeal who wrote me a nice message today.

Borc

I wonder if we should make some sort of offer for an safety alliance versus Roleplay. Not a complete military alliance but one that activates if we discover Roleplay has staked our an unfair amount of territory and resources in relation to the other teams.

Thus guaranteing that Roleplay does not become a superpower and utilizes one of us against the other.

[Hot_Enamel]

It seems that we are getting close to having to make a decision as who to align with...Lux or ND.

The HBR trade with Lux has already been approved correct ?

Borc should be told so that he can prepare.
My personal opinion at this stage, is that I prefer to align with ND. Soley based on that they are further from our capital than Lux. (I think)

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Borc attached this note with the save game today:

Hello GhengisFarb,
i had a chat with 5 of our best players right now.
- darekill, our vice-gouverneur and major of Neu Theben
- picahulu, our chief ambassador
- zayxus, general of army #1
- mav-son, leader of our workers
- helios, major of anagramascus

we all are very impressed that you give us riding for mathematics which will be ready in 14-15 turns.
we will treat you as friends from now on!

you also have my word as the gouverneur of ND that
a) we will give you mathematics as soon as possible
b) we will NOT give riding to Roleplay without your permission
c) we will explore new techs like construction/currency with you together
d) we also will try to balance the south/north relation together with you

I enjoyed the chat session today and i will visit you soon again.
we wish you and your people all the best and if you need help or info please feel free to write me a message!

Borc

[=OttomusCeasar=]

Think about it though. We gave them Horseback Riding for a tech they won't have available for 15 turns.

In their minds that the same as a nonagression pact for 15 turns. If we go to war they wouldn't be able to trade it back to us if they wanted to.

If Lux and ND are having bad relations we just unintentionally sent them a signal that we ARE NOT against them.

I'm not sure what Roleplay/ND relations are but that may have put us at the top of the list for teams they trust.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Latest email from ND:

Dear GhengisFarb,
Here some news and answers for our alliance

-->VOX news
We wrote a letter to vox and asked them to share mini maps. we still
wait
for an answer.
We hope your warrior can explore the east of lux and find vox. a scout
of us
had been there some turns ago but he did not climb on every coastal
hill...
and at the moment we need the scout to check our border to lux.

-->Role news
You are right! You and me, we both only told us some map info during
our
chat session. So Role dont has the right to blame us for cheating.
Maybe they are upset because i told you about the two iron sources in
the
south west...?
By the way: Togas wants to have a chat session with me next week (i
think
about a possible south border...) I will say him that i do not believe
that
somebody cheats if i starts to talk about this!

--> YOUR IDEA
GF: "It might not be a bad idea to foster the idea with Roleplay that
our
two teams don't get along so that convince Lux there is no immediate
military threat from both of us."
Borc: I will try to do so! Very good idea!

--> Lux
(everything concerning LUX should be top secret and not for others!)
WE will watch the roads of Lux to Regio Equorum and also to the north
where
they probably will found their 3rd city.
My personal idea at the moment is...
It would be the best if WE/ND attack Regio Equorum and if YOU/GoW
attack
their new city.
it would be a great idea if we both would start the attacks in the same
turn.
it would be necessary that we both send a war declaration at the same
time
together.
its not official yet but what do you think about it?

good luck
Borc

[Donegeal]

If we could foster the idea of making RP and Lux think that we don't get along with ND, then pull this deal at the same time....

Trip is gunna Flip!

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I know "Respawn AI Players" is on, but will Lux respawn if we wipe them out?

[Hot_Enamel]

Dont know the answer to this, but you could guarantee that they will just "join" up with another civ. Imagine if they gifted all of their tech to the builders ?

Regs

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

New memo from Borc:

Hello GF,
We just see that Spain has founded Saragossa :-( The south is very very big and i am very frustrated about spain now...!
First i have to show the new screenshots to my people but propably we have to talk very soon about our alliance again in a chat meeting...
Good luck!

And with the new save:

Hello GhengisFarb,
at the moment we can do nothing against saragossa but we still will try
to
get some land in the south!
we saw the settler of Lux two squares south of the two cows...!
together
with one speerman and one worker.
So Lux will have a street completed to Regio and one street to their
3rd
city.
Will you be able to send an army to their 3rd city after your nap is
over?
we would take the regio job then


mfg Florian Borchert

We then saw the settler group once our settler/spearman moved onto the next hill.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

From Borc:

Hello GF,
FRIDAY 7.00 PM GMT+0, not yesterday! I hope you have time.
I will come to the apolyton chat together with darekill (our new
gouverneur
for 1750 BC to 750 BC) and maybe with some more members of our team.
So please ask your people if they would like to join this party

Its a pitty that you could not attack the ottoman settler but we like
it to
hear that you don't brake your treaties.

As i told you we had yesterday the chat session at apolyton with
Roleplay
(Togas, Dejon and others).
Roleplay wanted to talk with us about the south border. the border
discussion is not finished and it seems very difficult to find a
solution
about this (as you warned me).
Anyway we will not give up to go for the silk city!

- Role and ND have an official NAP for 20 turns now (so we can
concentrate
on lux and Role can not attack our (silk-)settler)
- Role and ND will trade Mathematics for Writing soon (we will find a
way to
give you writing
- the border discussion is still running ...
- (as your idea was) we told them that we fear strong GoW, that we dont
trust Lux but that we dont plan to attack Lux.
- We tried everything to NOT show them that ND+GoW plan an alliance
against
Lux.
- So i hope we gave them no reason at all to warn Lux.

please tell me if Friday 7.00 PM is not a good time for you
lets plan our alliance...

Good luck
Borc

Darekill is the new leader of ND, with Borc the new ambassador.

[Panzer32]

I will not be able to make the chat

But I will be out of town with friends at Niagra Falls