Foreign Affairs Consulate: Neu Demogyptica

[Hot_Enamel]

Good luck GF.
Try to get writing

[Donegeal]

I suspose this is the best place for this post:

ND has proven to be a wonderful ally. Perhaps we should consider making them a permanate ally. We give them maps when ever they ask for them. They give us maps when ever we ask for them. We ALWAYs gift new techs with each other whenever the techs are finished. Permanent Wine trade to them. Permanent Mutual Aid. We consult each other before tech trades are made with the other teams. Worker requests. Hell! Lets trade all our workers so neither of our work forces cost us anything to maintain! Yes we are Industrious so a 2 for 1 deal might need to be worked out (maybe a 3 for 2 deal because, although our workers are faster, they would need to spend 20 shields and two pop points for every 10 shields and 1 pop we spend).
Suggestions?

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

From Borc today:

Hello Ghengis!
I asked my people if they would like to have a new warroom chat with
you and
the GoW leaders.
At least darekill and i have time tuesday at 8 pm (gmt+1), that means
for
you: tuesday 1 pm (gmt-6)

would you like to come? would be great!
by the way: Role founded a new city near the silk cluster in our south
:-(
And Congratz for Nanking! :-)

good luck Borc

[Hot_Enamel]

I think thats 6.00am for me.
I MIGHT drag myself out of bed to attend.

Regs

[Panzer32]

I won't be there until 3:30PM GMT-5 (1.5 hours after start)

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Panzer32
I won't be there until 3:30PM GMT-5 (1.5 hours after start)

What? I thought you wanted it 2-2.5 hours EARLIER.

Hi GhengisFarb!
we can start it two hour earlier: at least darekill and me will come
6pm
(GMT+1) that should be 11am of your time (GMT-6)
good luck!

[Panzer32]

GF- if you can get it to its original time, I can be there... well, I can be there any time today actually... turns out the thing that was taking me away isn't happening.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

[Donegeal]

This is where I am going to post the treaty that is to be sent to Darekill and Borc. Panzer, when I write it, edit this post to include the map at the top of the post. then edit/ whatever you think is needed. The others can look at it and I will send it to ND by the end of tonight.

Contract between Neu Demogyptia and the Glory of War.

As per the map titled Glory of War - Neu Demogyptica Territorial Agreement (territorymarked.jpg) which is attached to this document.

1. ND is to found the city here fore refered to as "Irongard". Once this city, the Iron in its city radius and the two empires of Neu Demogyptia and the Glory of War are all connected, then a trade of Iron from Neu Demogyptia to the Glory of War is to be made. In game, it will say that this trade will expire in 20 turns. Once this time expires, the deal will be continued. The trade will continue until one of two things happens.
a) When the Emipre of Spain (the Roleplay team) is eliminated, then Neu Demogyptia will gift the city referred to as Irongrad to the Glory of War.
b) There is less than two sourses of Iron connected between either empire. This contract will then be needed to be renegotiated.

2. The area of Lux Invicta shall be settled on the north coast by the Glory of War and on the East coast by Neu Demogyptia in order to prevent Vox Controli from settling on the Continent of Middle Bob. Again, upon the elimination on Spain, the cities in this area are all to be gifted to Glory of War.

3. Neu Demogyptica and the Glory of War will declare war on the Roleplay team on the same turn. This turn is not yet decided, but it must be agreed to by both teams.
a) At least 10 swordsmen from Neu Demogyptica and 10 horsemen from the Glory of War are to be used in attacking Roleplay. This is an absolute minimum, and it is expected that teams will produce more than this.

4. Limited trading will be allowed between both teams and Roleplay team. This will stay in effect until the simultaneous declaration of war on Roleplay. Every trade that either team makes with Roleplay must be agreed upon by both teams.

5. A Right of Passage will be agreed to by both teams. This will not be an in game agreement, but one that allows the transport of troops through one another's territory.
a) Neu Demogyptia will leave Glory of War worker stacks unmolested inside the cultural border of Neu Demogyptia to facilitate the clearing of the vast southern jungle.

6. After the Roleplay team is defeated, the enitire continent will be scruitinized, and divided up by exactly 50%. This includes 50% of the tiles and 50% of the resources. Approximatly, the eastern part of the continent will be given to the Glory of War, and the western part will be given to Neu Demogyptica.

Edited by Panzer32 - post anything that you see missing.

[Panzer32]

Editing Donegeal's post resulted in cannot find server, so new post:

This is where I am going to post the treaty that is to be sent to Darekill and Borc. Panzer, when I write it, edit this post to include the map at the top of the post. then edit/ whatever you think is needed. The others can look at it and I will send it to ND by the end of tonight.

Contract between Neu Demogyptia and the Glory of War.

As per the map titled Glory of War - Neu Demogyptica Territorial Agreement (territorymarked.jpg) which is attached to this document.

1. ND is to found the city here fore refered to as "Irongard". Once this city, the Iron in its city radius and the two empires of Neu Demogyptia and the Glory of War are all connected, then a trade of Iron from Neu Demogyptia to the Glory of War is to be made. In game, it will say that this trade will expire in 20 turns. Once this time expires, the deal will be continued. The trade will continue until one of two things happens.
a) When the Emipre of Spain (the Roleplay team) is eliminated, then Neu Demogyptia will gift the city referred to as Irongrad to the Glory of War.
b) There is less than two sourses of Iron connected between either empire. This contract will then be needed to be renegotiated.

2. The area of Lux Invicta shall be settled on the north coast by the Glory of War and on the East coast by Neu Demogyptia in order to prevent Vox Controli from settling on the Continent of Middle Bob. Again, upon the elimination on Spain, the cities in this area are all to be gifted to Glory of War.

3. Neu Demogyptica and the Glory of War will declare war on the Roleplay team on the same turn. This turn is not yet decided, but it must be agreed to by both teams.
a) At least 10 swordsmen from Neu Demogyptica and 10 horsemen from the Glory of War are to be used in attacking Roleplay. This is an absolute minimum, and it is expected that teams will produce more than this.

4. Limited trading will be allowed between both teams and Roleplay team. This will stay in effect until the simultaneous declaration of war on Roleplay. Every trade that either team makes with Roleplay must be agreed upon by both teams.

5. A Right of Passage will be agreed to by both teams. This will not be an in game agreement, but one that allows the transport of troops through one another's territory.
a) Neu Demogyptia will leave Glory of War worker stacks unmolested inside the cultural border of Neu Demogyptia to facilitate the clearing of the vast southern jungle.

6. After the Roleplay team is defeated, the enitire continent will be scruitinized, and divided up by exactly 50%. This includes 50% of the tiles and 50% of the resources. Approximatly, the eastern part of the continent will be given to the Glory of War, and the western part will be given to Neu Demogyptica.

I think the part that I put in Bold was not agreed to. Plus, if you look at the map of Middle Bob, that leaves us with no desert or tundra. That means no oil. No oil means we loose.

Personally, I think that the continent will be divided north and south, not W/E. Let me know what you think.

[Panzer32]

oops - I guess it did work...

[Donegeal]

Copy of Contract I am going to send to Borc to hammer out before they send it on to there team. Please let me know what the rest of you think before I send this. Also, should I send it to Borc, Borc and Darekill or just Darekill? I prefer Borc only as he is more gulliable er I mean listen better...

Contract between Neu Demogyptia and the Glory of War.

As per the map titled Glory of War - Neu Demogyptica Territorial Agreement (territorymarked.jpg) which is attached to this document.

1. ND is to found the city here fore refered to as "Irongard". Once this city, the Iron in its city radius and the two empires of Neu Demogyptia and the Glory of War are all connected, then a trade of Iron from Neu Demogyptia to the Glory of War is to be made. In game, it will say that this trade will expire in 20 turns. Once this time expires, the deal will be continued. The trade will continue until one of two things happens.
a) When the Emipre of Spain (the Roleplay team) is eliminated, then Neu Demogyptia will gift the city referred to as Irongrad to the Glory of War.
b) There is less than two sourses of Iron connected between either empire. This contract will then be needed to be renegotiated.

2. The area of Lux Invicta shall be settled on the north coast by the Glory of War and on the East coast by Neu Demogyptia in order to prevent Vox Controli from settling on the Continent of Middle Bob. Again, upon the elimination on Spain, the cities in this area are all to be gifted to Glory of War.

3. Neu Demogyptica and the Glory of War will declare war on the Roleplay team on the same turn. This turn is not yet decided, but it must be agreed to by both teams.
a) At least 10 swordsmen from Neu Demogyptica and 10 horsemen from the Glory of War are to be used in attacking Roleplay. This is an absolute minimum, and it is expected that teams will produce more than this.

4. Limited trading will be allowed between both teams and Roleplay team. This will stay in effect until the simultaneous declaration of war on Roleplay. Every trade that either team makes with Roleplay must be agreed upon by both teams.

5. A Right of Passage will be agreed to by both teams. This will not be an in game agreement, but one that allows the transport of troops through one another's territory.
a) Neu Demogyptia will leave Glory of War worker stacks unmolested inside the cultural border of Neu Demogyptia to facilitate the clearing of the vast southern jungle.

6. After the Roleplay team is defeated, the enitire continent will be scruitinized, and divided up by exactly 50%. This includes 50% of the tiles and 50% of the resources.

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb

What? I thought you wanted it 2-2.5 hours EARLIER.

I am glad I didnt wake up at 6.00am
The chat would of been finished by then.


Panzer, where did the map come from ?
A lot of territory is showing that we should not really know about...(ie the ocean tiles)

If we generated it, then we should NOT send it to ND , as they will know we have "cheated"
If it has come from ND, then they are doing something they shouldnt be doing.

[Donegeal]

No, we did not cheat HE. I made the map, tile by tile in the editor. I e-mailed everyone a BIX file so they can look at it. The ocean is because that is the default tile.

What do you think of the document?

[Hot_Enamel]

Ahhhh

You made it from scratch ....
Let me congratulate you on your effort.

If ND are unaware of what you have done, then perhaps also explain it to them. We risk that they make the same mistake as I did.

As to the document.......
I can only ask...

Point 2...
Perhaps define what area needs to be settled.
What is the North Coast ?
What is East Coast ? Does it include Southern Lux ?

And as a general question, as I did not attend the chat.

Why does ND get to settle Irongrad ?
Could we do it ourselves ?

The plan also requires the gifting of many cities in the future.
IIRC, cultural improvements are lost when cities are gifted....and in fact who would do any improvements to a city which is likely to be given away ?
Has there been some agreement on this.

eg...ND settles IronGrad
They build a temple, and the borders expand.
They get the Iron.

When they gift Irongrad to us, the temples are destroyed, and culture is reset to 0.
We lose the Iron, and will have to do a cultural war with ND to regain it back.
(I am just raising this as an issue because if they turn on us, they can easily cut our iron supply off.)

The document is well written, I guess I am more concerned that we just could not agree on a border, and stay out of each others territory.

It seems ND will gift us a lot more cities that we will ever gift them ?

The plan to attack RP next is excellent.

Regs