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**Panzer32** · January 16, 2003, 16:19

From AdaMada:

Dear Panzer,
How do things bode in the fruitful lands of GoW? It’s been far too long since our nations have conversed at any length, and it is a pity that we’ve lacked an opportunity to sit around the bargaining table as friends in the past weeks.

I’ve been informed by Togas, our Great and Illustrious Depot, that representatives from Our Explorer’s Guild have made contact with your warrior group as you’ve left the jungle. Our explorers greet your warrior group, and are especially reverent to be in the presence of such masters of war, but we regret to inform you that the small valley your troops now occupy is part of the Spanish homeland. We consider the region from south of the jungle to the western ocean to be our home. Indeed, our exploration guild has taken the mission of protecting our boarder upon itself, and was keeping watch over our homes and families along our border when they had the pleasure of meeting your troops.

I’ve been asked to inform you that you’re welcome to stay and feast with us tonight, as España is proud to call Glory of War a friend. Indeed, I believe our Depot recently saw it fit to engrave a statement of our friendship in gold and deliver it to you as a gift, wise and great as he is. In spite of this magnificent friendship, however, we cannot allow your warrior group any further into España. It is not only a matter of pride to the Spanish people and their Depot, but we are also weary of allowing armed troops through the lands of our children, as we fear for their safety in the presence of clubs – children have the most wretched tendency to place their hands upon places they don’t belong. Indeed, Togas has decreed that no foreign warrior groups or scouts may travel through Spain else they wish to endure the wraith of the Spanish Armies, and no exceptions can be made in this matter, even for such valued and respected friends.

We understand and admire your desire to learn of our lands and geography, and would suggest that we may soon be able to offer alternatives rather than sending scouts to report. As you are doubtlessly aware, both of our respective scholars have been mumbling about some newfangled technology of ‘mapmaking’ for some time, which would allow us to give you the same details you would learn for yourself were your warriors permitted to precede. Once our scholars have broken the mysteries of this knowledge, our ‘map’ could be transported far and wide, and we would be happy to exchange maps with you at that time.

If you wish, we will happily supply your warrior group with fresh water and supplies for their trip back through the jungle. We are indeed sorry that we cannot permit them any further into Spanish land at this time, and we hope that we will eventually see the day where all children can frolic comfortably, with the knowledge that warriors of all clans will take it upon their clubs to protect them and do them no harm. We hope that you understand our situation.

Best wishes from Iberia,
adaMada
Togas’ Ambassador to Glory of War

Also sent to GF.

**GhengisFarb™** · January 16, 2003, 18:12

Exactly, they know they have virtually all the luxuries in their half of the continent and are trying to keep us out. I would send them a reply myself but would like to get the teams consensus on what to do.

**realpolitic** · January 16, 2003, 18:32

If they have most of the luxuries than its likely that another neigbor covets them too, eventually an alliance would be a good idea, for now maybe send out feelers.

If we don't get an alliance before Chivalry, we may have 3 fearful civs threatening us.

**Hot_Enamel** · January 16, 2003, 19:11

I typed this up before the previous two posts...please exuse me if it repeats anything already said

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They sure do like to roleplay.

I can suggest the following 4 responses….

1. “No”

2. The GOW will report back to the Northern Aliance of Three Nations (NATN) of your land claim. We believe it unlikely that we agree that such an enormous claim falls within our guildlines.

3. The Warriors of GOW have only encounted barbarians & wildmen. Surely the Spanads are more civilised. We believe that your claim of land ownership is wildly exagerated, and will continue with our exploration. Please be aware that our explorer is armed against these barbarians only, and we have no interest in approaching or confronting any of the true spanards.

4. We negotiate a map trade now. And continue exploring until an agreement is made. This is my favoured option, and bring our warrior home. GF and other members may not wish to trade our map…so this needs to be discussed.

1,2 & 3 will surely upset them…Do we want to do this ?

Either way, our last paragraph should be that any offensive attack on our warrior will result in the full wrath of the GOW nation, and an immediate crisis council of the NATN to discuss appropriate action.

The NATN bit is a bit of a laugh. It will keep them on their toes.
Or we could drop the A and call it the NTN. Send out emails to ND & Lux that when discussing the three of us we are using the NTN term.

**Panzer32** · January 16, 2003, 20:17

I wonder... We are a warmongering team, so would it make sense to have a more agressive foreign policy, would it not? Just a thought... (as in Hot_Enamel's #1)

How about I propose us heading back right now if they consider a 10 turn reduction in our nonagression pact? What do people think about this?

In the meantime, before this is settled, it may be best to skip turns of warriors or send them backwards.

Another suggestion would be for us to give them a golden age contract if we leave.

I will reply saying for the time being (until we decide what the we will do), we will not encroach any further on their "territory". I will also ask them aproximatly how many tiles their territory is, so we can judge whether they are making excessive claims or not.

**Panzer32** · January 16, 2003, 20:29

Reply sent; I asked them if we could stay stationary for the time being, and I asked them how big their territory was, and how many resources it had in it.

**Donegeal** · January 16, 2003, 20:48

Simply tell them we do not recigognize their claim and have heard of no such claim by anyother nation.

**Hot_Enamel** · January 16, 2003, 20:49

Are we actually talking about our West or East coast warrior ?

The east warrior may be close to their captial ? Could it be undefended ? Is this what is causing them concern ?

Surely they would not waste any warriors units so far west and just camp them for defense.

I think should we continue to explore while we hammer out our response and agreement. Especially the west coast warrior who would meet little resistence. The East coast warrior may need to set up camp.

On another note, we now know something about RP that the other teams may not...(Their territory claim).
Should we share this infomation with ND & Lux and ask their opinion...have they had the same repsonse ?
This could foster good relations with our neighbours, and further isolate RP.
Just dont sound like we are bad-mouthing them.

**GhengisFarb™** · January 16, 2003, 21:45

We are not agreeing to any of the demands of Roleplay that we cease all exploring until they give us a legitimate reason to give them half the continent while ND, Lux and us share the smaller half.

**Hot_Enamel** · January 16, 2003, 22:05

OK - Here is my currect choice...

We send our warriors back for home defense only if we can negotiate a map trade now...as soon as it becomes available to do so.
If we can get their map without releasing our own...then this is the best option...but unlikely.

If we are unwilling to release our map to RP or we cant agree on a deal....Then its my option #3...worded much more diplomatically.

Exploration should continue until we map the continent..either by map trade or warrior exploration.

If Panzer has already done the deal, then we may be locked in. We dont want to give any more ammunition to RP that GOW is a deal breaker.

Their claim to own the southern territory it outrageous..we should not even bother agreeing or disagreeing with them on that...just ignore it.
However, we cant do anything about it just now..we cant exert influence that far. Let ND and possibly Lux worry about the claim. We will take what we want later in the game.

**Panzer32** · January 16, 2003, 22:48

I have not done any deal. Only asked questions.

**Panzer32** · January 16, 2003, 23:16

How about this deal: we go back if they agree to give us their [territory or world?] map when we discover map making?

Also, about my PM reply sent: It did only ask questions, and did not propose a deal. I asked if they would allow us (I mean without them getting mad) to stay stationary (or go back, if we want) for the time being. As much as I hope we can resolve this soon, I realise it might take one or two turns to sort it out. Our team is currently discussing one or two agreements that I hope would be satisfactory to both teams.

This is what I said in part of the PM.

In the other part, I asked about the size of the territory they have 'claimed'. I said we understand that they want room to expand, but do not think teams should claim territory unnecesarily. Also, asked how many resources are in this territory.

This is pretty much it, along with the diplomatic mumbo jumbo (I mentioned our nonagression pact, and said we weren't invading to take Madrid).

**GhengisFarb™** · January 16, 2003, 23:41

I have discussed the situation with Trip and (god forgive me) gave him our map of the southern most exploration (I gave them nothing above ND). Note only exploration BELOW New Dem's territory.

It seems Roleplay has made ND and Lux stop also. Once I showed Trip the grassland and Silk to the south he's all hopping mad at Roleplay and wants the three northern civs to concentrate on colonizing towards the south.

Note that I did this because I feel it is VERY important at this point for Lux and ND to put settlement pressure on Roleplay and not us. The land to the south is far more habitable than our lands to the north. (there are gems, wheat, river, and fish directly south of Lux)

My plan is this. We inform Roleplay that they can let us continue exploring unmolested OR we will give our complete map of the south and their lands to both ND, Lux, and any other civ who requests it to assist those civs in planning invasion of the south. This is a suggestion and I would like to hear others ideas and comments.

Do NOT let anyone know I gave Trip the info I did. It was necessary to swing Lux in opposition to Roleplay. Roleplay has been spreading all kinds of lies about our team and this laid those lies to rest.

**Hot_Enamel** · January 17, 2003, 00:03

Lux wants all three of us to expand south ???

How the hell do we do that ?

I agree with what you are saying GF.
RP should cough up their map or the NTN will explore south.

Did you discuss with Lux our expansion plans ?
We are going to start planting cities next to them very soon.

(After we get our horse resource)
Hope we have Iron !!

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