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  • Roleplay Deal

    Here is what adaMada is proposing:
    We have Ceremonial Burial and Alphabet, both of which are rare techs (only two civs start with them). You have Warrior Code -- a valuable and rare tech -- and Masonry, a tech that several groups have.

    We'd like to propose the following trade:
    GoW: Warrior Code, Masonry, Small amount of Gold
    RP: Alphabet, Ceremonial Burial
    * If either team meets another group, the above deal is rendered invalid (pending re-ratification), and the other team must be notified.

    The small amount of gold would be to cover the difference between Masonry and Alphabet, as Alphabet has a high re-trade value. The point is negotiable, and I'm sure we'll end up repaying you once we hire you anyway . The ending bit is just to ensure that neither team is locked in this contract if they meet someone else; from our teams perspective, if we do meet someone else before we meet you, we'd still like to have a standing deal -- we just may need to adjust the deal if we get Masonry.

    Please let me know what your people think, and if the baselines above can serve as a starting point. We are very interested in trading with you, both when we meet and throughout the game.

    -- adaMada
    Obviously, this deal benifits them; but we do not necessarily want to give away warrior code, since of its importance of a military tech.

    We might be able to get away from paying gold if we offer them an 'ensured golden age'. That is, we let their UU kill our warrior whenever they want.

    I think that alphabet and ceremonial burial are crucial to have. Ceremonial burial lets us control discontentment, while alphabet is crucial for us to get to literature and the great library.

    Anyway, I think (when we get it), the wheel is more crucial than warrior code, especially for our purposes. Therefore I see no problem with trading warrior code. All it really does is alows archer rushes, which will not be so effective in MP.

    Feel free to discuss this in the thread. Note this is if RP and us happen to meet next, before we meet someone else.
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  • #2
    the price seems high to me, and Roleplay is much more likely to meet ND before they meet us, but i'd like to hear what others among us think

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    • #3
      Straight up trade, and our goodwill. Read my other thread on why I think we should trade Warrior Code.

      I say we tell them we contacted Neu Demo in good faith and on the condition they let no one know we told them (this will reinforce our trustibility and hopefully foster the concept that we hold them in higher regard than other civs ) and that Neu Demo has contacted another civ whom we are not sure as of yet. Offer to trade them our starting location on the mini map for their starting location on mini map (mini map doesn't show terrain and resources just where you started in the big picture so we can aim towards one another. The info we provide should be more than enough to cover the stragegic value of alphabet.

      We can coordinate moving warriors to meeting somewhere in the middle.

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      • #4
        Early tech trades are going to make or break us in this game.
        Sure we can build an army and take what we want eventually, but we are a long way off from getting any decent attack force. By then, we may find ourselves so far behind that we will be ineffective.
        (Unless we want to build an archer rush now)

        Warrior code is the most important tech out there at the moment, as we are the only Civ with it.
        Don’t trade until we have contact with a few more Civs.

        Halt the game, (everyone else is doing it), and do a bulk trade with all Civs at the same time.

        Or even get ND to do it for us. They are expansionist and will meet everyone well before we do.
        Offer to gift them warrior code if they can resell it around the world.
        We approve each transaction, and they gift the techs back to us.
        The benefit to them is that they get free tech from whoring our warrior code.

        adaMada is trying to lock in a tech deal that guarantees he gets our tech for a very cheap price.
        Remind him that there are 2 civs with his techs...which make them half as valuable as our unique tech.

        Warrior code is our biggest bargaining chip...lets not be too hasty in giving it away.

        Wait .. Just read GhengisFarb’s post.

        He’s right .. A goodie hut will pop it for them….so disregard some of above

        I suggest we ask ND to whore it for us …
        Do we know if we are even on the same continent as adaMada

        Sorry …typing this up at work …
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        • #5
          PM about whoring warrior code sent to Borc.
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          • #6
            Counter-proposal (straight up trade + our goodwill sent to adaMada)
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Panzer32
              Counter-proposal (straight up trade + our goodwill sent to adaMada)
              Did you trade mini-maps? This will give us a good idea if we are on the same continent. If we both agree to trade those techs and try to meet in the middle we can trade for tech other than the two we are trading each other until we meet.

              Make sure to let them know we have info on other civs to trade them to increase their desire to agree to the trade deal.
              Last edited by GhengisFarbâ„¢; December 16, 2002, 00:33.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GhengisFarb
                Straight up trade, and our goodwill. Read my other thread on why I think we should trade Warrior Code.

                I say we tell them we contacted Neu Demo in good faith and on the condition they let no one know we told them (this will reinforce our trustibility and hopefully foster the concept that we hold them in higher regard than other civs ) and that Neu Demo has contacted another civ whom we are not sure as of yet. Offer to trade them our starting location on the mini map for their starting location on mini map (mini map doesn't show terrain and resources just where you started in the big picture so we can aim towards one another. The info we provide should be more than enough to cover the stragegic value of alphabet.

                We can coordinate moving warriors to meeting somewhere in the middle.
                This looks like a very good idea. However, I think they will be very hesitant to agree to a map trade as I feel they will think an Archer Rush would be eminent. We might have to ease their worries about this by making some kind of non-aggression pact for X # of turns (maybe see if we can get something for this from both ND and RP) Hold off on the GA contract. I am sure that they aren't even thinking of a GA yet as it comes with explores much much later in the game (however, with a crappy offensive UU like they have, I am sure they will drool over the possibility)

                Speaking of GA contracts, we should let them know that just because we sign a GA contract with them, it does not mean that we will not sign a contract with another civ against them. If Lego contracts us to attack RP, we still attack RP, just promice them that the Warrior unit is theirs to do with as they please. We won't attack them with it and we will move it to where ever they want us to move it. But we would still be contracted to fight. Hey, a GA contract is not a Non-aggression contract. Hmmm... this is going to take some thinking...
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                • #9
                  chatting with adaMada now; looks like the straight 2-2 deal (without any gold) will go through. It will be official in about a day or so.
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                  • #10
                    What's up? We need to trade minimaps ASAP so we can send a warrior in their direction.

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                    • #11
                      AARG!! Replys are slow in Foreign Affairs...
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                      • #12
                        notes from chat with Admiral PJ (LI)

                        -They have Iron Working
                        -They seem to have a use for mercenaries.
                        -They want trade minimaps and meet by GoW's lands
                        -They will destroy our troops if we violate their territory.
                        -They do sound relativly suspicious.
                        -They think they know that we have traded with ND

                        I proposed the trade minimaps to them. They will get back to me at 12AM tommorrow night GMT. Terms are that we meet at a place exactly in the middle. They also want to know with whom we have traded; they may tell us with whom they have traded.
                        Proud Member of the ISDG Apolyton Team; Member #2 in the Apolyton Yact Club.
                        King of Trafalgar and Lord of all Isolationia in the Civ III PTW Glory of War team.
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                        • #13
                          I hope we are on the same continent, because these guys are TOAST !!!

                          AS ND has warrior code, it has lost its value.
                          We should just get what we can for it now...plot and kill them later.
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                          • #14
                            Go ahead and tell them who we've contacted.

                            Them tell them all the great trades we got from ND! If they don't believe us, tell them to go ask ND about the trades we made with them.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
                              I hope we are on the same continent, because these guys are TOAST !!!
                              That's the spirit!
                              Btw, trade the nini-maps with these guys.
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