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[Aeson]

Does it even need to be said that we dislike having our deals broken? Certainly our reaction to Vox should have made that clear to everyone. Would we need to be told by one of the other teams that they wouldn't like it if we broke agreements with them? That's why I'd consider such a statement borderline insulting, and probably comes off condescending as well.

GoW has broken an agreement already. I can't see them not breaking another agreement just because we tell them not to in any case. The others have no agreement with us, and they must realize we'd be less than pleased if they are involved with GoW breaking the terms of the trade. If they go through with it, it's because they just don't care what we think about them.

[Theseus]

I don;t think our agreement with GoW has any bearing on the other teams. That we had an NDA in place with one does not in any way bind the others.

What we can say, if and when the time is right, is that we believe that part of the reason GoW initiated an act of war was in fact to break the agreement, with some 'ostensible' honor (possibly also disclosing the other nefarious goals).

And that that is something to remember when making deals with GoW.

[Shiber]

If we're going to decide to send a warning to the other teams, I would be in favor of also mentioning GoW's attempt at a ruse.

[alva]

Nope, we should have done that before we attacked them, too late now.

[Shiber]

I don't understand.
Can't we still tell other teams what they tried to do?

Edit: on second thought, maybe it's not such a good idea... it'll send out a clear message that GS reveals secret information entrusted to it. Sure, it's ethical to spill the beans on GoW if they betrayed us, but still, people will get that sense of us.

[alva]

It's not because we ARE honest, that people will believe it.
They could be thinking we are the ones setting up a ruse.

[Shiber]

Oh, now I get your point. Yes, I think you're right.

[Dominae]

Sooo...how do we deal with our sudden jump of power (coming very soon now) on the diplomatic stage? I believe it is going to take a lot of work to prevent most if not all teams from banding against us at this point. Our Great Leader is a mixed blessing: on the one hand, we jump in power and get to deny Bob a Wonder every team there would kill to have; on the other, Bobian teams may forget their differences for now and focus on us.


Dominae

[Arrian]

I say we need to continue our diplomatic efforts with respect to ND & Lego... they seem to be the teams we have the best shot at being friendly with (in game).

Vox - enemy
GoW - enemy, for now at least
RP - their leader has a personal beef with us, they may be funding our main opponent

ND - mystery, but has been cordial
Lego - builders, seem friendly.

It seems to me that those are the two we should focus on. Vox & RP appear to be lost causes diplomatically, while GoW is a wildcard (hell, they're mercs!).

-Arrian

[notyoueither]

Any ideas on how FP should present this turn on the forum?

I would suggest low key. Something along the lines of moderate successes seen in limited operations.

[alva]

To be honest, I think whatever we say, will be used against us.
A no win situation basically.
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Sure, diplomaty has to continue, just not to much in public

[alva]

Bobian teams may forget their differences for now and focus on us.

You could be right, but i really think their UU coming at the same time is gonna be our saviour in this case.
Unless of course they would trust each other blindly and play as one team, but hey, there is nothing we can/could do about that.

[Arrian]

Two options:

1) Say little.

2) Do a "GS War report" including casualties inflicted (with GS losses listed as "light").

Both have their advantages. #1 has the advantage of giving no intelligence to other teams.

#2 has the advantage of being kinda neat, the way Vox has been with their war reports, and thus might help us a *bit* on the diplo front. Still, I dunno if that is worth it.

I guess I favor saying as little as possible.

-Arrian

The whole world is against us, man, I swear to god [/Dogma]

[notyoueither]

I think we should say something, but I definitely favour keeping on the light side (as in skimpy on info). Part of our problem is the appearance of being too aloof. Saying nothing reinforces that.

Be that as it may, I also favour tight control over the message, which is why I favour one of us keeping track and being our face to the world. We can advise FP, but we will have to rely on him to a great extent to lead in this arena.

[Aeson]

I'd go with the 'say little' option. I think it will be readily apparent we got a Leader, and so we might want to say something about it. It's a very big thing and gives the impression we're giving out a lot of info when it's going out anyways.

We probably take a diplo hit from most teams for getting this Leader, but I think it will be less if we don't just blindside the other teams with our new Wonder.