Turn 94, 690 BC

[nbarclay]

The Great Lighthouse could be of either very little value or enormous value, depending on how the game shapes up. If we do end up deciding an invasion of RP is in order, the Great Lighthouse would let us invade directly before Astronomy or deliver reinforcements about 50% faster even after Astronomy. And there's at least some chance it would give us access to a useful island or two.

[Aeson]

I'd build Sun Tzu's (or the Great Library then Collosus even), but that's just me. I do foolish things sometimes. (I personally don't like the insinuation, but then again I understand where you're coming from NYE. Keep in mind everyone here has their own risk:reward that they are willing to go with.)

From a team perspective, I think the Great Library helps us the most (and is most efficient), then the Collosus.

[nbarclay]

Aeson, what's your estimate on how much more expensive/difficult the war is likely to be without Hurricane's production to help us out?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Aeson
I'd build Sun Tzu's (or the Great Library then Collosus even), but that's just me. I do foolish things sometimes. (I personally don't like the insinuation, but then again I understand where you're coming from NYE. Keep in mind everyone here has their own risk:reward that they are willing to go with.)

From a team perspective, I think the Great Library helps us the most (and is most efficient), then the Collosus.

I think we've played the whole game underestimating our opponents. I think it would be very wise for us to stop that. Now.

If we overestimate them and build an army that wins, what is lost? We finish Vox sooner and have a good shot at taking a strip out out of Perfidious Rolebion.

If we underestimate them and build an army too weak, what is lost? The game.

[nbarclay]

Here's something else to think about: If we can turn the tide on the war sooner, we can switch EotS and Tempest to wonders sooner. Se we might be able to get a couple of the big medieval wonders anyhow.

[ixnay]

I say go with the Great Lighthouse. The naval benefits would help us out quite a bit.

[Aeson]

Depends on if GoW is lying to us. If they are sending us valid screenshots (somewhat suspect at this point), we can hold Arashi without Hurricane, and it's really only that first assault that can hurt us. Of course I'm not sure GoW is being totally upfront with us.

With Hurricane we can take Vox out faster... and that might be worth more than any wonder. Depends on if we get a Leader or not (why we shouldn't go *too* fast). The FP near the bottleneck would give us about 2x the production capacity for most the rest of the game.

Pop rushing like they have, it's only Vox's first wave that can be any more than leader fodder for us. I would think we can produce about 3-4x the number of units at this point with Hurricane, all as good or better quality than theirs. Their grasp on an Iron source is very tenous too, 2 turns up the W coast by boat and we can cut it off. (just need the boats up there and spare Pikes, which we will have about the same time)

Just my opinion. No hard numbers in there.

[DeepO]

First of all, this wonder should not keep us from playing the turn, simply leave it at the palace build, and switch when we get Feud next turn. I haven't done it in a MP before, but I can not imagine that the order in which things happen in a MP turn are different then in a SP game. In SP I do it all the times, and I can't imagine others haven't delayed wonders before to be able to get a wonder the moment a tech gets dicovered.

Second, I would go for either the lighthouse, or Sun Tzu (yes, the discussion turned me a bit). It depends on how many units we'll need the coming turns, really. Both have their merits to me.

Besides, I don't see it very well at the screenshots, but wouldn't the lighthouse make it able for us to trade with Lego? Or is this not affected by the GL?

As to how Vox is doing: I think their cities are far from empty, if they took a contract on us with GoW, they are waiting for them to get the first units down, and distract us. But its obvious that they did not move their assumed 20 immortal army onto the spines immediately, and somehow I don't think we'll see them soon either. I do think that we'll get a harder time taking their cities then we're hoping for.

DeepO

[asleepathewheel]

I move that we vote on the wonder and send the turn.

My vote is the lighhouse.

[alva]

Damned you NYE, you have put me in doubt now...!!
Seeing Nathan having second thoughts (and others too), isn't doing any good either...

Sun Tsu or Lighthouse.

[nbarclay]

Let me make sure I understand the procedure correctly. I think I get the theory, but I've never actually done it in practice at that particular point.

When the tech is discovered, instead of choosing a tech directly, go to the science advisor. From there, switch to the domestic advisor, and then on to the city view of the city you want to change. Change its build order, and once that's done and the tech is chosen, exit the advisor screen and let the turn proceed normally.

Is that correct?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by DeepO
Besides, I don't see it very well at the screenshots, but wouldn't the lighthouse make it able for us to trade with Lego? Or is this not affected by the GL?

As to how Vox is doing: I think their cities are far from empty, if they took a contract on us with GoW, they are waiting for them to get the first units down, and distract us. But its obvious that they did not move their assumed 20 immortal army onto the spines immediately, and somehow I don't think we'll see them soon either. I do think that we'll get a harder time taking their cities then we're hoping for.

DeepO

Yes, there is a path to Lego of all sea/coast.

re GoW as a distraction. I think not. Rather a couple of horse in a galley might take advantage of our ungarrisoned southern cities while we are distracted by Vox.

We need a lot of units, very soon.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by alva
Damned you NYE, you have put me in doubt now...!!
Seeing Nathan having second thoughts (and others too), isn't doing any good either...

Sun Tsu or Lighthouse.

Sorry, alva. Well, not really, but you know...

Lighthouse.

[nbarclay]

Lighthouse.

But if I can get a comfortable feel that I'll definitely be able to handle the switch at the beginning of the turn, I can set the build to the Great Library and plan on switching to whatever we consider appropriate at the beginning of next turn. That would provide time for a more formal vote.

[Aeson]

I'd vote for anything but the Lighthouse. I'd think we could build it regularly after we've taken care of Vox. By then we'd know if we were going to use it or not.