DIPLO: GoW comments

[alva]

I'm not sure how or why you implied that into my words.

Sorry Asleep, should have made it more clear, didn"t mean personally, but over the few weeks, I have read for comments like it and our ' vision' shouldn't become clouded because of one person.
If if turns out that the best tactic is to take on RP, then let that be our course but only if it is in our best interest and not because we want revenge (insert other reson)

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by alva

Sorry Asleep, should have made it more clear, didn"t mean personally, but over the few weeks, I have read for comments like it and our ' vision' shouldn't become clouded because of one person.
If if turns out that the best tactic is to take on RP, then let that be our course but only if it is in our best interest and not because we want revenge (insert other reson)

Oh, I agree with all that. I think RP is a good target for us, not too large, and we can get a foothold on the continent. And especially if we are invited into the war by ND


along NYE's thinking:

Yes. If we wait for them (RP) to move against ND (and get some actual confirmation, not a ruse) then we can hit them when all of their offensive forces are in the Northwest, far from Madrid. And Madrid is 2 turns for defensive units from Pomplona, so they would be SOL.

I was thinking 10 galleys with 15 knights and 5 pikes for the first wave. I think that target is reasonable, with the WCs that can be upgraded. Will depend of course on whats left over after dealing with vox.

[Aeson]

So, I think we can politely threat them, either by saying that if they continue this, they will be our first target on Bob where we considered them our least likely target, or by saying that they will forego future favorable trade deals if they keep this up.

Let's not say anything about targets in the future. If we say GoW isn't a likely target, expect ND and RP to feel they are our next targets. Just saying 'target' in relation to BOB will probably get all 3 more united against us, regardless of the context.

If we approach GoW, it should just be to inquire as to if they plan on still going through with the Chivalry deal. Say something to the effect that we now have the commerce to spare, and are hopeful of aquiring Chivalry through them or if not, through our own research.

The 'war' is rather meaningless except that it doesn't allow any in game deals. If they aren't looking for in game deals from us, it's completely meaningless (for us) at this point.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Aeson

If we approach GoW, it should just be to inquire as to if they plan on still going through with the Chivalry deal. Say something to the effect that we now have the commerce to spare, and are hopeful of aquiring Chivalry through them or if not, through our own research.

Ah, I had completely forgotten about that! How much was the deal for, 200g (the same as the feudalism deal?) or was it a bit more.

We should figure out their ETA on that as well, from them directly or estimates. They've had, what, 6 or 7 turns with feudalism, minus the 3 (?) turns of anarchy? And their economy is probably not efficient (to put it lightly) though possibly fueled by the contract on us by vox.

[Aeson]

Yes it was 200g, delivered by the time they were halfway through research. They never officially accepted any part of the deal (and ignored a request as to if they had), so who knows what they are thinking.

[Theseus]

We need to be *extremely* careful about declaring any of the Bobians as targets.

Just taking Vox and our continent will be threatening enough...

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Theseus
We need to be *extremely* careful about declaring any of the Bobians as targets.

Just taking Vox and our continent will be threatening enough...

I agree, I think we have to wait until invited by ND, (or someone else) or at least when the fighting is raging on Bob, though that could force a peace to fight us.

[Theseus]

"Having been distracted by the barbarian Vox, we just want to stay home, build, and watch HBO."

[Shiber]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
We should figure out their ETA on that as well, from them directly or estimates. They've had, what, 6 or 7 turns with feudalism, minus the 3 (?) turns of anarchy?

Excuse my complete ignorance, but what government type is GoW now?
IIRC they're in Monarchy, but I just wanted to make sure.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Shiber


Excuse my complete ignorance, but what government type is GoW now?
IIRC they're in Monarchy, but I just wanted to make sure.

I was under the impression they were in republic, but not 100% sure of that.

[notyoueither]

Republic.

RP is the only Monarchy. Vox and Lego are still despots.

[Shiber]

Damn, so we've given them a happiness bonus by attacking their units first? Or do they don't get negative WW when we attack their units that are within our cultural borders?

[notyoueither]

I'm not sure. Going into other's territory is not good for WW. Losing units is worse (especially in territory other than yours). The whole thing as applies to MP is a little unclear.

[asleepathewheel]

Is this happiness bonus even that relevant on chieftain? Their empire is quite small and they already have a couple luxuries hoooked up I believe.

[notyoueither]

I doubt it will help the way it helped with a size 11 and a size 12 city.

I wonder what the rest of the world makes of EotS. I notice Lego cap just hit 7.