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  • Turn 52, 1710 BC

    To be edited by the leaders of the Scholia.

    Status:
    - Researching Writing at 100%, ready in 2 turns.
    - 72 gold cash, -2 per turn.

    Urgent questions:
    - none

    Military:
    - ... ?

    Economy:
    - Hurricane finishes spearman, starts palace (prebuild for whatever we end up deciding on).
    - Worker #2 finishes chop, starts road. (I want to road the tile while we're here, but we may want to focus our irrigation efforts on river tiles that bring in more gold for the moment.)
    - Worker #3 starts mine.
    - Bolderberg laborer shifts to the roaded plains tile we're about to finish irrigating. (Since we're wasting a shield now, we should get the same production either way.)
    - Cyclone shifts its non-wheat laborer to the game forest (which should net it an extra shield).

    Diplomacy:
    - discussion whether we continue the GL or not, and how we involve Vox in it
    - awaiting response from Vox about the research partnership
    Last edited by nbarclay; February 12, 2003, 12:19.

  • #2
    Re: Turn 52, 1710 BC

    Originally posted by Sir Ralph
    ...and how we involve Vox in it
    Haven't we already agreed to Nathan's plan?
    Was there a poll about this? I honestly don't remember, the last week has been eventful in RL.

    Btw, a really good job with the latest message to RP, DeepO.
    "Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
    And the truth isn't what you want to see,
    Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
    - Phantom of the Opera

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    • #3
      Btw, a really good job with the latest message to RP, DeepO
      I have to agree with Shiber- i was almost tempted to comment on that excellent message- flattering but not snirveling, yet presents us in the light of a team that takes itself and its play seriously, as well as its neighbors- truly a work of a talented Diplomat.
      (Hmm..., i wish i had some medals or decoration for those officials who excel- like those little stars Mc'Donalds workers wear )

      I suppose that if they agree for the "trade all techs deal" and its still in place (if and) when have the GL- than they don't have any reason to pay us - don't they? and if we take that deal from them and then we alter it so that they pay- they will probably refuse. Its harder to give up something you already have and pay more, than it is to just pay more after a while. On the slaves issue- i don't see a way to encourage Vox to give then to us besides improving our chances of getting the GL, and them benefiting from it as wll (according to the "trade all techs" deal), but i honestly don't think we want to commit ourselves for so long, not now at least, what we actually will do if we decide to have them join a GL project.

      In hort- if we are commiting ourselves to a trade all techs deal, and actually honoring it, while also having them join workers for the GL- it means we are allies up until the early middle ages- are we going to commit ourselves to this now?

      Well, if we're discussing it- than i say no. (either we have an agreement on them buying all the techs- an obvious profit for us, or that we go for a limited "trade all techs", but not both).
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      • #4
        Thanks guys ... I wish I could say it was well thought, but actually it was just inspiration of the moment. Oh, but please, no McDonalds stars for me

        Zeit, those are my concerns as well with the tech deal, however we needed something fast, and we can back out of it if we want. It was ratified by our team, I think, not entirely sure if Nathan already sent it to Vox. I propose to keep this arrangement as long as we haven't decided what we do later on, right now this seems to be possible only after we heard from all other possible partners.

        I like the idea of having RPG for a partner, because they appear to be strong, and reliable. If I interpreted their messages well, they were founded on a river with cows in reach. Pretty sure start location to at least keep up in the ancient age, no matter what happens.

        DeepO

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        • #5
          Re: Re: Turn 52, 1710 BC

          Originally posted by Shiber
          Haven't we already agreed to Nathan's plan?
          Was there a poll about this?
          I'm not talking about involving Vox in tech deals, but about the discussion if we build the GL at all and in what amount Vox has to help us with workers and/or gold.

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          • #6
            Sir Ralph and or Nathan,

            Could one of you check the Mil Advisor and let us know his report on our strength relative to Vox, please?
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            • #7
              I check it every 2-3 turns, and it has always been average.

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              • #8
                Whether this changes or not after we complete the veteran spearman will tell us whether Vox is investing a lot in its military.
                Btw, Sir Ralph, I suppose that you're already doing this once in a while, but just in case, could you open a diplo screen with Vox and browse through the advisor's messages? Messages such as 'Vox Controli has the spearman / swordsman / is unimpressed by our culture' could reveal a lot to us.
                "Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
                And the truth isn't what you want to see,
                Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
                - Phantom of the Opera

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                • #9
                  Well, if all goes well, we'll have contact with a couple of other teams next turn, so 2 requests:

                  - first of all, please send screenshots of all F11-screens now, and next turn (or every turn new contacts arrive). The reason is that we need to be able to separate them, for which we need different screens. I want to have a go at them, but for the moment I'm terribly busy, and I can't promise I'll have time before the weekend. (and the weekend itself could still go to other activities.)

                  - second, and I know this asks a lot of the players, please check every turn with all contacts whether they have acquired a tech we also have, and check in F6 which techs get down in cost. This to assess how techs are being traded amongst civs.

                  Further, a question: with writing come embassies, are we going to try to build them in other capitals, or rather wait until someone else builds it in EotS? I noticed that when another nation builds an embassy, you automatically see its location as well, so the only difference is to see inside the city for one turn. I'm not sure that is worth the cost.

                  DeepO

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                  • #10
                    I noticed that when another nation builds an embassy, you automatically see its location as well
                    Interesting...
                    That's the last time I establish an embassy....
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                    • #11
                      Yep, In the EuroPBEM game, I now have a fine view on your capital, Alva. I thought first I got a bugged save, but after the initial fear I opened up the espionage screen, and saw I had an embassy in your capital too.

                      Of course, you only see the exact location and surrounding improvements, and not the inside of the city, or present troops / workers. It's like getting a territory map of those 22 tiles only.

                      BTW, where is the Euro PBEM game now? is it with you or with Nathan?
                      DeepO

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                      • #12
                        If the other party will be interested in an embassy as well, perhaps we can share the establishment cost.
                        "Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
                        And the truth isn't what you want to see,
                        Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
                        - Phantom of the Opera

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                        • #13
                          Re: Re: Re: Turn 52, 1710 BC

                          Originally posted by Sir Ralph
                          I'm not talking about involving Vox in tech deals, but about the discussion if we build the GL at all and in what amount Vox has to help us with workers and/or gold.
                          That's just what I meant. Nathan drew up a plan to give them credits, which can be redeemed for techs or discounts or something, for every worker they donate to our cause, and if my memory serves me right, there was pretty much a concensus around that plan.
                          IMHO we should offer this plan, or something else, but something, to Vox, if we still want a wonder.
                          "Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
                          And the truth isn't what you want to see,
                          Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
                          - Phantom of the Opera

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                          • #14
                            Re: Re: Re: Re: Turn 52, 1710 BC

                            Originally posted by Shiber


                            That's just what I meant. Nathan drew up a plan to give them credits, which can be redeemed for techs or discounts or something, for every worker they donate to our cause, and if my memory serves me right, there was pretty much a concensus around that plan.
                            IMHO we should offer this plan, or something else, but something, to Vox, if we still want a wonder.
                            That one wasn't mine, and I never really cared much for it because it didn't look like a good deal from Vox's perspective. My idea was to give Vox an excellent ongoing price for techs throughout the time the Great Library was active, plus an up-front credit counted toward that price.
                            Last edited by nbarclay; February 12, 2003, 14:08.

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                            • #15
                              Yeah, but giving 300 virtual gold per worker, when techs would cost 100 gold each doesn't sound like a good deal for us, Nathan. At least I tried to bring the non-aggression issue onto the tech trade table, I can imagine you didn't like the original deal, but you never commented on that part either.

                              DeepO

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