Vox Controli comments part two

[Arrian]

what appears to be the team consensus, namely that we should trust Vox 100% and plan accordingly

Is that really the consensus? I don't trust 'em. I agree we ought to REX (and not try for the GL). I through the Colossus out there as an option, since it will do a lot less harm to our REXing, and Hurricane is coastal, on a river with a couple of luxury tiles, and is close to EotS (low corruption) making it a good spot for it.

But that got very little reaction, and that's fine. If the only options are GL or full REX, I vote full REX.

-Arrian

[Dominae]

I'm not big on the Colossus option, to tell you the truth. I much prefer having Hurricane as a unit-producer. But this is probably because I'm not a big fan of the Colossus in general (except in OCC!).


Dominae

[Arrian]

Understood. Like I said, I'm just throwing it out there (and as you can tell, I'm a big fan of the Colossus - to me, it passed the cost benifit analysis test).

By the way, I noticed the "Spartan Academy" thread had fallen to page 2, and wanted to bring something up, so I posted in it. But no matter how many times I refresh page 1, the thread has not popped back up. It's still on page 2, and shows nbarclay as the last poster (until you click on last post, then you get mine). Wierd.

-Arrian

[Harovan]

The poly database is effed up, if you ask me.

[Shiber]

quick note

we have been playing as if it was ratified

so since it has been ratified on both sides it is good, BTW, we are about to meet another nation

Interesting. Should we offer them a deal of writing in exchange for both their contacts (Lux and the other nation)?

[nbarclay]

Originally posted by Shiber


Interesting. Should we offer them a deal of writing in exchange for both their contacts (Lux and the other nation)?

Right now Vox is probably operating under the assumption that we've accepted their "trade all techs discovered, at least for the time being" proposal. We haven't explicitly accepted it, but I said if we accepted the Alphabet for Iron Working deal in game, we'd either accept it or give them something else of value (to be determined later) to compensate for the fact that they could have gotten Alphabet more cheaply from another source. In the absence of further word from us, the idea that we've accepted the arrangement they proposed would be the logical conclusion.

The question is, starting from that point, what's the best way to go? And how do we fit that in with the Great Library project?

[Shiber]

Let's tell them this: to compensate for their loss of a good deal on Alphabet, we are offering them Writing, a tier 8 tech and 160% the cost of Alphabet, at the ridiculous price of 2 contacts.

[DeepO]

Shiber, good idea. Further, it would be wise to have a summary of things we agreed to, so that Vox doesn't work from the wrong assumptions.

DeepO

[Shiber]

Also a good idea. I don't want them to get the impression that we've agreed to that tremendously unbalanced "we give them whatever we get and they give us whatever they get" deal.

[nbarclay]

"A tier 8 tech"???

[DeepO]

tier 3, obviously.

Further, I don't think we have to compensate anything: they agreed on the double deal, if the situation changed beyond our control, we don't have to pay for it. The deal with the 2x2 techs is over, and no further compensation for that should be given to Vox.

This doesn't say that we can't accept an advantagous deal for Vox next time, we know they are smaller then us, and so we need to keep them in shape to be of use for us. But last deal is over, and they cannot be allowed to bring it into a future negotiation again.

DeepO

[Shiber]

Originally posted by nbarclay
"A tier 8 tech"???

I meant a tech with the cost factor of 8.

[Shiber]

Originally posted by DeepO
Further, I don't think we have to compensate anything: they agreed on the double deal, if the situation changed beyond our control, we don't have to pay for it. The deal with the 2x2 techs is over, and no further compensation for that should be given to Vox.

Technically, we don't have to compensate. The deal was fair, and they committed to it. However, we want them to take the writing deal from us, instead of from another civ. IMHO, if we offer them this "compensation", they'll feel that if they take the deal from another civ, they'll miss out on some compensation or advantage and prefer to take it from us.

[DeepO]

What I want to avoid is to tell them it is compensation, as it will mean that Vox will remember that if they wine, they can get a better deal out of it. No, we must be clear that we consider the previous deal as fair, and certainly as honorable (which is more important to us than fairness). Therefore this deal is cheap to them as a gift, and not compensation as there is nothing we feel we need to compensate for.

DeepO

[zeit]

I agree with DeepO, a compensation won't convey the message we want to deliver Vox- equal partnership. Even if we compromise with them on various deals, we must not make it seem like we treat them any better than they deserve, as this might spoil them- and perhaps also alienate them.