DIPLO: comments on Rollplay log

[OPD]

contact with RP posted in the log

Suggested they give us there map. He asked about the specifics, but rather than mention the galley I talked about not selling on.

IMO their galley is going to keep on along our coast unless they explicitly know that it is part of the map deal.

[DeepO]

Would Togas still be keeping a short leash on all RPers when it comes to disclosing things to the public? If so, I wonder how the last post from civman in SPIN got approved, unless they wanted to provoke us...

DeepO

[notyoueither]

I think he was just using license, DeepO. He stated specifically that the events depicted were at odds with our government's policy, sorta.

[DeepO]

I know... but even if you start by saying "This is completely fictional, and untrue", it has been said, and will be read. It leaves an imprint of sorts.

I don't feel compelled to answer, but I wonder what would happen if one of us would write a story, completely fictional, in which we accuse RP to try to manipulate the world. I don't think they'll take it kindly, even if it may just be a story.

DeepO

[Harovan]

RP wants a 10 turn NAP? How many turns do we need to get our forces ready and in position?

[notyoueither]

I don't see the brouhaha starting too soon. When it does, we may well want to wait a few turns to see actual evidence of war, and not just reports. Also, if we wait, we may get several turns advantage as RP may thin out their Eastern garrisons and may deploy any reserves they have closer to the action (which would be away from us).

A 10 turn NAP would not hinder us seriously, I think. If it is concluded quickly. I would like to get a sense of who GoW has such agreements with though.

[Aeson]

The 10 turn NAP would be alright, but might be a mistake. I doubt we'd want to go for a second (or third, or whatever) one, and it might raise flags if things aren't quite progressed to where we'd want to invade when we decline the next one. I'd rather not put us on a turn clock where we have to land on the 11th turn or give RP too much time to plan for what's coming.

We are at 0% lux rate right now. Do we already have any luxuries from RP? If we don't need the RP luxuries, maybe it would be best to just extensively haggle with them over the luxury trade, and try to string it out as long as possible. The NAP clause should allow us plenty of discussion points, and we could just be slow on diplomacy too.

[DeepO]

Yeah, a turn 10 NAP would mean that whenever we break it, it looks fishy. Better to keep to our line of 'no NAPs with Bob'.

Also: what does revolving mean in this context? does it mean that it is essentially endless, but takes 10 turns to stop? That would be totally unacceptable...

DeepO

[notyoueither]

Chatting with BigFree. The jist of it is that RP want to sell Luxes to us for 5gpt. Will post edited log later (there is ISDG stuff mixed up in it).

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Chatting with BigFree. The jist of it is that RP want to sell Luxes to us for 5gpt. Will post edited log later (there is ISDG stuff mixed up in it).

War was just declared on them and they want 5gpt for luxuries? are those the luxuries we are currently getting from them? They must not be too concerned about this right now, wouldn't they be trying to get an alliance with us instead?

[Aeson]

Gotta love Togas' little poem...

[notyoueither]

It is 5gpt for ivory (3rd lux). He has moved on to enquire about alliance. I told him we could discuss it.

[asleepathewheel]

ah an ongoing discussion then. good luck, looking forward to the log.

[Theseus]

Catching up, and about to check out the public forum... this is gonna be good.

[Arrian]

Interesting...

I'd kinda like to hear GoW's side of the MPP allegation. That's pretty serious.

Further, if I'm GoW, and RP offered to mash up ND with me and split the continent, I'd do it!

Our position is somewhat difficult. The NAP we agreed to with GoW ties our hands (30 turns!) such that we can't really help RP (not that I'm inclined to, but strategically it would make a certain amount of sense).

So I think we stick with the plan to hit RP and grab what we can... and then try to get GoW to fight ND with us.

-Arrian