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Does anyone want to comment on the price of computers, please? I know it only has been 12h, but if at all possible, I would love to answer them within 24h. Just a matter of politeness....
DeepO
DeepO
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Would we like to direct/coordinate ND's further research?The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.
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If possible, yes. I can ask them what, and how they are going to work... whether it's a 40-turn plan, or something else. If we could e.g. have GoW going for fission, and ND for rocketry, we would be free to do minituarisation and trade it to them. If they are interested, of course.
It would be a nice time for ND to switch from buying techs to researching themselves, there are a lot of options. OTOH, there are a couple of paths where 40-turn research is not that bad either (fission being one, recycling the other), as research is going to take a long time right now.
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Call me crazy, but I think we should soon plant a spy in ND.Comment
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Can we try for 30% and 20 turns lux or would that be pushing it? ND are gonna be as big as Lego soon, and they've been doing nothing with their cash except getting bargains on tech, so they can afford it, if they won't be offended.Comment
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sleepy, you're right about spies. I would welcome one in every country... the problem is that if we are detected, they might not like it very much.
CH, 30% + lux? We could try... the only problem I see is that ND doesn't negotiate: either they agree, or they call off the deal. Without the lux deal, I would certainly agree on 30%, but now? I don't know... 5% is something like 300 gold, it's not the end of the world (on both sides, of course).
Something that's important in this discussion, is whether ND will see the lux deal as an implicit NAP or not. If we could now pay for the lux up to turn 269, we're more or less certain we could get another tech deal out of this, without fear of being attacked. That is, to me, far more worth than 300 gold. If ND doesn't see a lux deal as an NAP, this doesn't work of course.
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We need the cash coming in and to not stir ND more than an extra percent right now. I would be on the safe side.
We also do not want to lose our lux ith them. I would not risk a spy on them unil we have some inroads on Lego. We do not need one real bad at this point as we can do nothing anyway.Comment
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I think that's blown with this war, esp since we abandoned the 1 turn warning.Originally posted by DeepO
Something that's important in this discussion, is whether ND will see the lux deal as an implicit NAP or not. If we could now pay for the lux up to turn 269, we're more or less certain we could get another tech deal out of this, without fear of being attacked. That is, to me, far more worth than 300 gold. If ND doesn't see a lux deal as an NAP, this doesn't work of course.
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Then again, with these crazy Krauts, who knows?
I would certainly welcome a 20 turn NAP with them at this juncture. And frankly, tactically and strategically they are much better off waiting to strike GoW in the next 3-4 turns, anyway.Comment
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There is a difference: the deal we had with Lego was a 1 lux for 1 lux deal. The deal we've got with ND is a 3 lux for 2 lux deal, where we pay them every 20 turns for their lux. So if they declare war, they have taken our advance payment, but don't deliver the goods.
If we would declare war on Vox, we run into the same situation: they have delivered communism to us, and we are still 20 turn lux payment behind. Of course, we can't really be blamed for that, as Vox has waited 30(?) turns to ask for their payment... they can't seriously expect us to sign an implicit NAP for 70 turns because of 1 tech. 70 turns is like eternity in this game.
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One lux was sent to Vox sent on turn 227 - so about 5 turns left, and another at their asking. Well, we don't really want war with Vox, do we? In fact, we could ask them if they want their other luxury now to make it less likely they join in . The last thing we want are 3 trannies of Vox marines heading for Estonia ...Comment
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On the ND price - if 30% is too much then OK. We need to keep in with ND.Comment
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We don't actually look at Vox as a neutral nation, do we? I mean, they're as beholden to Lego as RP is to us. As far as I'm concerned, they are the enemy, even if a formal state of war does not (yet) exist.
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I wouldn't mind an official war with Vox, if they start it. We can't afford to be the ones to start it right now. And yes, even if we're still providing lux to them, we're unofficially at war. There is no guarantee whatsoever that they won't try to land some marines in a few turns, just to disturb us. Whether they get lux from us or not won't matter one single bit.
The moment we can spare the cash, we should get a spy in Vox. ND and GoW could wait, but Vox... knowing if they are building marines or not can become crucial.
As to the 30% to ND: well... it's not that I think it's too much, it's just we should play on the safe side. They do not negotiate, and that's the problem. GoW will: if we propose 30% to them, and they don't like it, they say "what about 25%, is that also ok?" We lost a couple of deals to ND because of this, I want to avoid that. 25% is something that they should agree to without hesitation, I think. At least I would.
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To our Trades. We have the following proposal. We are currently already researching Rocketry. We'll be finished in about 13 turns. So what about if you give us computers in let'S say two or three turns and we pay 600G to you now. In 13 turns you receive rocketry and give us back the 600G. So it's tech for tech. I don't know the exact beaker costs of rocketry compared to Computers but if there is a difference, we can afford it to compensate it in gold.
For me, this is quite alright. We get some gold now to do upgrades if needed. We are guaranteed to get rocketry as well, meaning we'll get Alu. Together with GoW's fission does this mean we've got the time to go for another tech, and if we somehow can manage to start on this early, we'll keep our tech advantage (but only 1 tech, instead of being 2 techs ahead).
The cost of computers is 6240, of rocketry is 5760.
That leaves the upcomming Luxurydeal open. Here we'd prefer a G/T base if you don't mind. G/T is great if we research. How much? I'm sure we find an acceptable arrangement in that point too. What do you say?
This is understandable. We do not have to decide this, but I can certainly agree on them asking for gpt for lux. It will leave all options open: they can honorably break the lux deal, without breaking an implicit NAP. In case they would break a 20-turn lux deal we got as exchange for a tech, they should pay us something while declaring war.
I would agree to this. How much gpt is something else, but we've got another 7 turns to negotiate about this, we still have 7 turns before ou credit runs out.
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Yes, that seems reasonable. Any thoughts on whether ND might have a role to play on Lego?Comment
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