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[Arrian]

T2: build city, begin chop, allocate citizen to forest fur, build warrior.
T3: 1f, 3s
T4: 2f, 6s
T5: 3f, 9s, switch citizen to grassland tile.
T6: 5f, warrior complete, build another.
T7: 7f, warrior complete (chopping done), order another, begin irr.
T8: 9f, 1s. Switch citizen to fur tile.
T9: 11f, 4s. Irrigation done, move to next fur
T10: 13f, 7s. Begin chop
T11: 15f, warrior complete.
T12: 17f, 3s.
T13: 19f, 6s. switch citizen to unchopped fur.
T14: Size 2, warrior complete. select another. Move 1 citizen to grassland.
T15: 2f, warrior complete (chop done). Irrigate. Select settler.
T16: 4f, 3s. switch 2nd citizen to 2nd fur.
T17: 6f, 8s, irrigation complete. Move across river to fp tile.
T18: 8f, 13s, begin irrigation
T19: 10f, 18s, switch 1 citizen to fp.
T20: 13f, 21s. Irrigation complete, begin road.
T21: 16f, 24s. Switch back to furs only.
T22: 18f, 29s. Road done. Move to 2nd floodplain.
T23: Settler done. Size 1. Begin another, use fp. Begin irrigation.
T24: 3f, 1s.
T25: 6f, 2s. Irrigation done, road.
T26: 9f, 3s.
T27: 12f, 4s. Road done, move to fur
T28: 15f, 5s. Begin chop
T29: 18f, 6s. Switch citizen to irr fur.
T30: Size 2, 11s. Switch both to fp.
T31: 4f, 12s.
T32: 8f, 13s.
T33: 12f, 24s, chop done. Road.
T34: 16f, 25s.
T35: Size 3, 28s. Road done. Irrigate.
T36: Settler done, size 1, 4f (? need to test that one)*.

At this point we could do anything, including a third straight settler if we want.

* - It seems from the testing that you don't get overlap food when a city grows (ex: city has 19f, +3f/turn. Next turn it is Size2, 0f), but if you produce a settler after having already hit size 3, you get the food production before the settler drops you to size 1 (ex: city is size 3, has 6f, producing +4f/turn and will make a settler next turn. Upon making the settler, it is a size 1, 10f).

What I'd like to do is test the 5 warrior/2 settler plan and maybe have someone else do it to so as to be absolutely sure I'm right (Nathan? NYE? Alexman?).

-Arrian

[Arrian]

Oh, one thing:

If our second city is built where I put it during testing, it will use the first irrigated fur tile, which means the plan would be slightly different, as so:

T29: 18f, 6s.
T30: Size 2, 9s. Switch both to fp.
T31: 4f, 10s.
T32: 8f, 11s.
T33: 12f, 22s, chop done. irrigate.
T34: 16f, 23s.
T35: Size 3, 26s. irrigation done, road. Move another citizen to fur (2 fur, 1 fp)
T36: Size 1, settler complete (3f? I think so...).

-Arrian

[nbarclay]

Originally posted by Arrian

What I'd like to do is test the 5 warrior/2 settler plan and maybe have someone else do it to so as to be absolutely sure I'm right (Nathan? NYE? Alexman?).

Send me the test rig and I'll give it a go. (Actually, I'd like to have the test rig anyhow.) My e-mail is my username followed by @hiwaay.net.

Nathan

[DeepO]

It depends on our situation, but I would certainly go for a temple after those 2 settlers are built. Not that I fear cultural flips without neighbours, but either we have neighbours and have to worry about culture, or we don't have neighbours and don't need barracks either...

But that's some 35 turns away, by that time we should know where we are

DeepO

[ManicStarSeed]

Am I correct in seeing that by T40, we can have 4 cities up and running?

If that is the case, then by all means wait on the barracks until after turn 40. We will then be in good shape to diversify a little then.

The more cities we get up quickly, the better it will be. This plan comes close to the AI expansion rate on emperor.

Mss

[Arrian]

Nope, by T40 we can have 3 cities up and running.

Nathan, I will send you the scenario NYE made once I get home. Save it into the PTW scenario folder and load as a scenario. Remember to set the difficulty to Regent.

If you feel particularly ambitious, you could edit it to include terrain uncovered since NYE made it.

-Arrian

[Theseus]

And what if we have horses connect prior to T30? No WC? a reg WC?

I'm not a fan of this no barracks craziness, but I could be convinced.

[Arrian]

I'm going to send Nathan the test thingy now (sorry for the delay) and he can test the 5 warrior/2 settler plan. I may do some testing tonight, but I'm not sure I'm in the mood for it right now.

By the way, originally I had the worker crossing the river to work on one of the fp tiles right after he finished the 2nd fur. Upon further reflection at the recent screenshots, that's dumb: he should stay on the eastern shore of the river, and simply move north to develop the second fp (so chop, irr, move "7", chop, irr, move "7", irr, road, move "7", road, irr, move "6", chop, irr, road).

Theseus,

An early barracks only makes sense if we're going to pump out troops early on. Our top priorities right now are exploration and expansion. Veteran WCs can probably wait. Hell, if we bump into GoW really early, we could always consolidate our 5 warriors and rush them.

-Arrian

[Theseus]

Please take a step back everyone...

I do NOT believe we are on an island... mountains on a N/S axis next to desert on an E/W axis? I predict the continent continues N by NW.

We certainly can;t ASSUME we are alone!

I DO believe that other civs are going to be a little far... don;t forget, we are one civ below max. So I look at an early WC as for both exploration and fastmover defensive protection!! I guess I can live with it at reg.

If we have a connected horse around T32, I'm going to lobby heavily for a WC.

[alva]

I'm going to send Nathan the test thingy now

Could you send it to our team e-mail too??
I would like to have a look at it too

And choosing the settler over the barracks is the way to go IMHO.

[Theseus]

I'm less focused on the barracks now...

[nbarclay]

Originally posted by Theseus
Please take a step back everyone...

I do NOT believe we are on an island... mountains on a N/S axis next to desert on an E/W axis? I predict the continent continues N by NW.

We certainly can;t ASSUME we are alone!

I DO believe that other civs are going to be a little far... don;t forget, we are one civ below max. So I look at an early WC as for both exploration and fastmover defensive protection!! I guess I can live with it at reg.

If we have a connected horse around T32, I'm going to lobby heavily for a WC.

I too seriously doubt that we are on an island. I've played a few 'pelago maps, and this just doesn't feel like any island I've ever seen.

I think building more cities quickly to expand our industrial base is more important than an early barracks. When our ability to crank out settlers back to back starts to falter, we can slip in a barracks and then start building vet units in between settlers if that looks like the right way to go.

Nathan

[Dominae]

I also doubt we're on a small island (although we may very well be alone). If my "map generator sense" is correct, I predict some nice Jungle just North of us.


Dominae

[Arrian]

Regardless, I think mucho settlers rapido is the way to go. Barracks later.

-Arrian

(who is REALLY pissed, because SOMEHOW, my autosave got turned off - though after consulting the preferences screen it appears it was on - and I lost a game that was at 50AD, in which I was poised to open my GA, polish off the HG, crank out the GL in my GA, *AND* I had already gotten a leader - GROG lives(d) - who was all set to rush a FP in Madrid, which had the Pyramids, which I would have taken in 3 turns. ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRG!)

Imagine that said in one breath. I'm pissed.

[notyoueither]

Ouch. I save periodically. Habit I got into working with computers.