Turn 253: 1315AD

[notyoueither]

It may be an idea to dial up MZ and find out if he (I mean GoW) support this grab by ND.

[notyoueither]

Unfortunately, I see a couple of GoW diehards also posting. No so much just MZ.

Question. How close are we to being able to gut ND?

About this time I am less concerned about winning and more concerned with mounting their heads on the mantle next to Vox.

[DeepO]

ND was average to us, but with a lot of unupgraded infs. Us attacking them first is not really an option, this is not Lego. At least, we can't invade them alone. If they invade us, we do have a good chance: by landing we might lose our own territory but we would certainly hurt them to the point where GoW can finish them off.

As to involvement of GoW: they simply have to know about it, and are either supporting it themselves (i.e. they could invade Estonia), or approved.

But I agree we need to talk with GoW. And with RP. And with ND. And possibly with Lego/Vox as well: if Lego really asks for retirement, the UN option is a lot more difficult for ND.

DeepO

[Cort Haus]

Messages sent to GoW and ND. Dunno what to say to Lego or Vox atm other than a blunt "are you guys voting for ND?"

[Aeson]

I don't think the UN is an issue. We will build the UN first if Lego is still in the game, at least if things stay as they are. Not sure if ND could beat us by mining everything around Borcem.

[vmxa1]

Maybe that is why they felt they needed to hit RP. They know we can build the UN and they are worried that we have RP and Vox votes?

Because hitting RP now is just sensless. Even if you have GoW on your side, why not wait a bit longer to build more troops? I guess they were worried we would have nukes soon, but still a few more turns with GoW and ND making troops would make them stronger.

[DeepO]

Aeson, you may be right about the UN, but does ND know this as well? I wouldn't dismiss it too easily, they might think they're in front.

You make a good point that if Lego is still in the game, we need to build the UN. And, as we won't win ourselves by diplo, that is a large cost, better spent on something else (i.e. the Internet, as we won't have time to build much research buildings anyway). So, the question becomes: how can we make sure that Lego is out of the game asap?

Is it an option to start asking them whether their resignation was official? If so, it wouldn't be hard for them (well, for Zargon, as he is Lego) to accept a no-voting rule too... and perhaps give us a bit more information on where their last settler is, and who can kill him. If they landed a settler in ND, we're screwed. If they landed a settler in Vox (most likely, I think), and Vox doesn't want to do the honours, we're screwed as well. So perhaps we should try to get Lego to agree not to vote for anyone if a vote would occur (we could also ask to vote for us, but I doubt they will do that )

DeepO

[Aeson]

Well if Lego is still in the game we can't build the Internet anyways. The only build we would have is the UN.

[DeepO]

You mean because of the mobilization? In that case, I think we need to end it for 1 turn. That's just my opinion, but if there is any future left in this game, the Internet is going to be kinder to us than the UN will ever be...

DeepO

[Aeson]

We can delay the build if we don't want the UN. If so I'll just irrigate the tiles so we stop starving.

[vmxa1]

We should end it if we are not going to hit ND, otherwise it makes no sense to buiild a wonder.

[DeepO]

okay, we need more opinions on the UN. And more discussion too, perhaps.

For the moment (this can change wuickly, though), my opinion is this:
1. we do not want to UN to win diplomatically. There is no chance of doing so anyway.
2. we do not want to lose by diplo win either. But as long as we keep RP alive with their one settler, nobody can win unless ND and GoW band together, or unless we are almost utterly destroyed and RP's settler is at risk
3. To be sure of this, we can talk to Lego. If they want to resign for certain, maybe hey are not interested in voting for ND anyway. But again, with RP still around, ND is not going to get a diplo win before we're gone.

So, in the long run, I see no reason to build the UN. In which case I prefer the Internet (again my question, can we build this wonder in mob?)

Other opinions? This is critical and needs to be decided before next turn arrives. Plus if any diplo spindoctoring needs to be done in the mean time, we need to get this issue gone fast.

DeepO

[DeepO]

BTW, can you keep the starvation in the city, while still delaying it for one turn? If ND sees Tempest in the red, they will be pushed to build the UN themselves (unless they're going for Manhattan of course). After all, if we're still starving our pop, our efficiency reputation will mean that we're going to finish the wonder asap...

DeepO

[alva]

That's just my opinion, but if there is any future left in this game, the Internet is going to be kinder to us than the UN will ever be...

[Krill]

Just a notice, but Voxs' Uranium depleted, and moved so that it is noow 99 of Memory Blocks, which is where Castlea used to be...