Turn 162 : 470 AD

[vmxa1]

Hum, what is wrong with posing the question on the forum to see what everyone thinks? A simple, should we allow this tactic or not?

No position being given, just asking for a clarification. Saying we do not intend to participate, unless it is agree by the teams.

[Cort Haus]

On the PP thing - I'll fire a quick note to Togas about the wisdom of confirming the NDA status. There may to be an empathic bond between RP and Vox now - which might turn outto be useful in some way.

[Cort Haus]

On the RP GA trigger - a hypothetical team vote on the public forum which went by self-interest rather than game ethics (whatever they are) could see four votes to two in favour of allowing the tactic. Doesn't mean it's right - but it would be democratically mandated by the teams.

Thing is - ND and GoW would feel shafted, and we know what GoW are like when they go off on one.

Whatever the rights and wrongs, if both GS-RP and Lego-Vox do it, it'll be Lego that benefit the most with a GA timing of their choice. If I was Lego, triggering from Smith's or Magellans would be a little too early to be optimal. Better to get it at Factory-time, with the race for the killer industrial wonders that we ourselves seek.

[OPD]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
pray that vox gets nationalism as their tech....

yes it's likely that vox will hold the key to ToE, anyone want to do something a bit silly and offer vox all MA techs for their one IA tech?

[Cort Haus]

On the subject of Vox, I just had a PM from Togas on the subject of their independence.

Togas is reluctant to pay cash to Vox for PP if that cash goes to Lego, but they are keen to foster good relations with Vox, and will pay them if necessary - I don't know how much but we could do with that cash going elsewhere.

Sleepy, wanna check this NDA thing out with Rhoth? I suppose they'll say "oh yeah, there's an NDA", so they can get their full value, despite not saying it before, but as OPD says - the degree of their independence is worth knowing. I think Lego just gave them Gunpowder and Astro. Why Astro, on the very turn we discover it?

[Cort Haus]

We've been kinda working on the assumption that Lego will pull Vox into the Ind. Era to get the freebie - and that Vox will not be able to disclose any of these.

I expect Lego policy is to hold back all techs from Vox until it's necessary. No point in depreciating tech costs for rivals - would run the argument.

[vmxa1]

CH I would say a vote would require either all or at least 5 out 6 to fly. I agree it should not be allowed if others feel it is unfair.
Too bad these things were not worked out inadvance.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
On the subject of Vox, I just had a PM from Togas on the subject of their independence.

Togas is reluctant to pay cash to Vox for PP if that cash goes to Lego, but they are keen to foster good relations with Vox, and will pay them if necessary - I don't know how much but we could do with that cash going elsewhere.

Sleepy, wanna check this NDA thing out with Rhoth? I suppose they'll say "oh yeah, there's an NDA", so they can get their full value, despite not saying it before, but as OPD says - the degree of their independence is worth knowing. I think Lego just gave them Gunpowder and Astro. Why Astro, on the very turn we discover it?

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by vmxa1
CH I would say a vote would require either all or at least 5 out 6 to fly. I agree it should not be allowed if others feel it is unfair.
Too bad these things were not worked out inadvance.

I think it's outlawed in the MZO C3CDG, which has an explicit list of prohibited exploits.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
We've been kinda working on the assumption that Lego will pull Vox into the Ind. Era to get the freebie - and that Vox will not be able to disclose any of these.

I expect Lego policy is to hold back all techs from Vox until it's necessary. No point in depreciating tech costs for rivals - would run the argument.

seems like the case. very strategic of them. Though I imagine once they saw we traded Invention to vox, they put some measures into place to prevent it from happening again. Vox had some temporary autonomy, I don't expect to see it again, and certainly we won't get democracy out of them.

Does vox have chivalry yet? Not that its a useful tech....

[Cort Haus]

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[Cort Haus]

Yes they've got Chivalry too, as if Lego decided to give them all the techs we've got. But how did they know we were getting Astro that turn?

[DeepO]

erhmm... if Vox needs luxs, they need Astro as well, no? otherwise they are confined to only the one Lego can give them. That might be the reason. Other reason might be that Vox won't go for demo, but for nav.

invention to Vox: was there a NDA on that on? did we research it ourselves? I can't remember (that's something I've typed at least 5 times the past 2 days in this forum. I must be getting old )

DeepO

[Cort Haus]

Yeah, we researched Invention ourselves, and Vox were the last to get it, so no NDA needed.

[asleepathewheel]

just posted a response from Vox. They ask for a few turns to work out a deal. I think we should just tell them that we won't do anything with printing press for 10 turns (the max what they asked, I believe) because....


they want to trade their next tech, democracy to us.

A shocking development. One would think Lego would bar them from trading that to us, a religous civ.

cool eh? I haven't responded, want input on whether to give him the short nda. I think we should, because we don't want to hurt our thawing relations, esp. if they are good trade partners...