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**Cort Haus** · December 12, 2003, 12:39

Thanks goodness for that. I was starting to draft ultimatums in my head.

I'll probably be around to chat at 2300 GMT - if my gf doesn't want to go out tonight.

Perhaps we can thrash out a quick agenda ...

**asleepathewheel** · December 12, 2003, 12:46

2300gMT is what US eastern time...1800? Not a good time for me at least, dinner, wife just gettting home etc.

yes lets come up with an agenda.

1. How does RP view itself wrt its future on bob, stormia and as a team?

2. what happens to pamplona? do they want to evacuate those troops (I don't know if that's even possible now, due to palace relocation issues, perhaps GoW would allow them to move them out via their sole galley)

3. Research goals, what they are researching, 40 turns or what?

4. do they get all the n. stormia cities? make sure the landing sites are blocked.

etc.

**Cort Haus** · December 12, 2003, 15:35

These points are along the lines I was thinking too - I had started making notes then got called away - I'll post them soon.

**Cort Haus** · December 12, 2003, 16:31

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
2300gMT is what US eastern time...1800? Not a good time for me at least, dinner, wife just gettting home etc.

yes lets come up with an agenda.

1. How does RP view itself wrt its future on bob, stormia and as a team?

2. what happens to pamplona? do they want to evacuate those troops (I don't know if that's even possible now, due to palace relocation issues, perhaps GoW would allow them to move them out via their sole galley)

3. Research goals, what they are researching, 40 turns or what?

4. do they get all the n. stormia cities? make sure the landing sites are blocked.

etc.

On these points -

1. we could add - "and how do RP feel about being a semi-autonomous GS vassal?"

2. On Pamplona, the longer it lasts the more GoW (mainly) and ND get hurt. The sooner it falls the quicker N.Stormia can be productive. Also, only when both GS and RP are off Bob will the next chapter begin - the break up of the alliance between GoW, ND and Lego.

3. Research - Yes, what are the specifics now - and would they agree to be committed to a shared research project at our direction?

4. The idea would be for them to have all five cities in N.Stormia and ultimately to be responsible for maintaining the wall. This would obviously have security implications for us - and is a matter of some concern to many in our team. (From our pov, them maintaining the wall will free up our own troops, and save us money.)

If RP accept the territory but don't meet the obligations required of them by GS, then we would be making a mistake of granting territory that we could eventually get productive ourselves. So if they want to do it we need them to do it properly or we've lost out. Even poor communications at a time of crucial tech decisions could be adverse, so if RP lose interest and don't play their part it could end in tears.

If they want in - they've the conquistador and their GA to come, and no-one knows what the future holds. If they don't want to play ball on our terms, we think it would be better for them to leave the game.

**Arrian** · December 12, 2003, 17:32

I'd like to try and stay away from using "vassal." No need to stomp on their pride.

Arnelos and I are on the same MZOC3C team (American Imperialists), and I can probably chat with him some tonight. I won't be home for several hours, though.

-Arrian

**asleepathewheel** · December 12, 2003, 17:37

Can you chat with Aidun, CH? I can't make it. pm him if you can.

edit: because I won't be able to...

**Cort Haus** · December 12, 2003, 17:55

Arrian, that'd be great if you can chat with Arnelos.

Yes, vassal isn't a flattering word, but we need to somehow leave them in no doubt what's expected - to play ball on our terms - or it's not worth it for us long term.

Aggie seems to say that we have given Pamplona another 15 turns. That's gonna seriously inconvenience the Bobians and gives RP the chance to strike a deal, getting something out of GoW.

**Cort Haus** · December 12, 2003, 17:57

aatw,

yes, I'll try Aidun

**Cort Haus** · December 12, 2003, 19:11

How about 'Semi-autonomous province'?

**Cort Haus** · December 12, 2003, 20:24

#MilOps, password: Right.

**asleepathewheel** · December 12, 2003, 21:01

good chat

The reason I thought the pamplona discussion was better here, was because BigFree is monitoring the chat room, don't want to hold anything back, you know

**Cort Haus** · December 12, 2003, 21:49

Well, good then if he saw that - he needs to think about it. I edited up the train of thought and put it in the current GoW thread.

**Arrian** · December 13, 2003, 15:26

An apology: sorry, I never did talk to Arnelos last night. I pretty much went straight to bed after I got home (and I had some gf "issues" to deal with. Don't worry, it's all good now).

-Arrian

**Octavian X** · December 14, 2003, 02:00

We need another chat with RP, soon. The following could very well change the course of everything up to this point.

(23:54:33) (Arnelos) Octavian_X - RP Team needs to discuss with GS a diplomatic proposal sent to us by ND
(23:54:43) (Octavian_X) ok.
(23:54:50) (Arnelos) please post that in your forum
(23:55:00) (Octavian_X) I'll do so.
(23:55:17) (Arnelos) ND wants a seperate peace with GS/RP
(23:55:26) (Arnelos) they seem worried about a GoW backstab
(23:55:29) (Arnelos) this is perfect
(23:55:59) (Octavian_X) really? that's fascinating...
(23:56:03) (Arnelos) I've been arguing in the RP internal forum for weeks about how we needed to talk to ND about the future... it seems that ND has finallly contacted us
(23:56:17) (Arnelos) so I've jumped on the chance...
(23:57:02) (Arnelos) ND wants us to do them the favor of helping them take Pamplona, but to also help them stop GoW for getting any more territory in Southern Bob and to work against GoW... I've told ND tentatively that RP Team is interested, but that we
(23:57:07) (Arnelos) 'll want something in return
(23:57:13) (Arnelos) we need to negotiate that
(23:57:48) (Arnelos) in addition... my idea I've floated inside RP Team is that it might be possible to get ND to agree *in writing* to some form of binding agreement with Gathering Storm concerning the future if RP Team helps them with this now
(23:57:56) (Arnelos) it's an idea...
(23:58:05) (Arnelos) but needs much discussion by RP and GS
(23:58:08) (Octavian_X) That's great news!
(23:58:15) (Arnelos) and then we need to negotiate it with ND
(23:58:15) (Octavian_X) I'll relay this information immeadiately.
(23:58:19) (Arnelos) good

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