Possible Chat with Role Play Very Soon?

[OPD]

It's usually best to ignore most of what BF says, as long as there are other people active for RP he doesn't have too much control. Arnelos typically keeps him under raps. We could perhaps mention to RP that his attitude pisses us off a bit so as to take away from his credibility in RP.
Arnelos is the one we should deal with. I understand he's been trying to make some deal with ND for a while now, I think we should allow him some space and see what he can do.

ND getting all spanish cities could be very good.
What would be good in return would be some tech but more importantly some agreements on tech trading, perhaps a deal to get us both into the IA. Also some lux trading, they'll be getting 2 more lux from the cities iirc. So perhaps we could get 2 lux for 2 of ours.

I don't think we should ram the threat of GoW/lego down ND's throat perhaps just wait and see what they think about things.

[Cort Haus]

You're right, OPD, that we should try and wait and see if possible, but we don't have very much time if we want to trade tech for the spanish cities. We may have only next turn to decide what to do with those cities - burn then or trade them.

To say that BF 'pisses us off a bit' is a little understated, I think.
This guy is behaves more like an enemy than an ally. I thought he called the shots at RP. They deliberately ignored (he admits it) about eight PMs from us and denying us essential information - and then flames us for our conduct in the war as a punishment for not going to war with Lego . This is the whole team blanking us out, remember.

They haven't even said 'oh thanks' for Invention.

[asleepathewheel]

We should send BF a nice terse message: Do you speak for your team?

I dont' think he does, but if so, then we need to make plans without them...

[Cort Haus]

I say go on, sleepy

If he says Yes it gives us every reason to persue SR's suggestion re: N.Stormia.

The only problem is that RP would stay at war with us until Pamp fell - which could still be a while.

Also, if we backed ND against GoW and Lego - even with ND owning all of Bob would they be able to exploit it in time to challenge a Lego victory by default. Do we have any idea how far Lego are ahead?

[Theseus]

Holy cr*p... I miss a couple of days, and I'm not even sure what's going on!!

[Theseus]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
I say go on, sleepy

If he says Yes it gives us every reason to persue SR's suggestion re: N.Stormia.

The only problem is that RP would stay at war with us until Pamp fell - which could still be a while.

Also, if we backed ND against GoW and Lego - even with ND owning all of Bob would they be able to exploit it in time to challenge a Lego victory by default. Do we have any idea how far Lego are ahead?

I concur (and BF is really a d*ckhead).

Backing ND... this should include our original demands, and more, e.g., the destruction of GoW, a significant chunk of Bob, dismantlement of Lego, etc.

[vmxa1]

I am also struggling to keep up wiht the diplomacy aspects. I would say that with out a piece of Bob at some point, we can not win. Well maybe if we got abig piece of Leg, but that could come to late.

So we need a few cities now or be able to ally in the ND vs GoW battle with an eye to getting land on Bob.

The best chance is to get in after GoW with ND fairly soon. Otherwise if all went against Lego, that could work. We just have to have more than Stormia in the near futrue.

[OPD]

I don't know if any kind of ultimatum to BF is that good an idea. Just ignore him and let the rest of RP know that were not going to put up with sh*t from him.

RP belong to us and should be able to do us alot of good in northern stormia even if it's just as a nuisance to other nations. They have a GA to come and can make alot better use of the land up there than we ever can.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by vmxa1
I am also struggling to keep up wiht the diplomacy aspects. I would say that with out a piece of Bob at some point, we can not win. Well maybe if we got abig piece of Leg, but that could come to late.

So we need a few cities now or be able to ally in the ND vs GoW battle with an eye to getting land on Bob.

The best chance is to get in after GoW with ND fairly soon. Otherwise if all went against Lego, that could work. We just have to have more than Stormia in the near futrue.

We've been fighting for a piece of Bob and it hasn't happened the way we'd hoped. We're going - for now, and it's inevitable that our exit would shake things up a bit. We intend being back at some point. As well as land on Bob, we also need to develop our economy if we are to have a chance of winning - and having reached a team consensus on this we should try and stick to it.

The immediate issues are : BigFree being a butt-munch, and what to do with the spanish cities on our turn. The simple move is to raze them and be done with it. However,

1. RP members hint they can get a deal with ND. Except that we don't know what RP really think. As OPD says, there are people on their team we can work with - and the case is strong for their potential as as ally - if they let us 'own them' but they don't. If we owned them, we wouldn't have to wait until Big Free himself decided to end our punishment and speak to us in the reprehensible manner that he did. I don't find that easy to ignore.

2. GoW offered us tech for the Spanish cities we control. We also floated the idea to ND.

If GoW offer peace and we accept, then they can't take the cities and we have time to negotiate over them. If they don't, we have to raise or make a deal next turn.

I tried to get RP to consider making a four-way deal, and that what prompted BF's charming message.

If we make a deal without RP for their cities, it'd best be ND - unless we decided to cut RP off.

If we raise them, we've lost an asset, but it removes the risk of trading them to the wrong side. If we suspect GoW of being close to Lego (Lego would have an incentive for this) then we definitely want to support ND - and that goes better with RP - if they remain an ally.

[Cort Haus]

What I'm saying is that although we want to step back and let the others scrap it out for a while while we heal and wait for an attractive deal - there's a possibility that only an alliance against Lego would stop Lego winning the Game.

GoW might even see it that way - but I reckon everyone is jockeying for position with potential deals and second-guessing. Perhaps no-one knows how the chips will fall.

Would (ND + GS) vs (GoW + Lego) be enough to stop Lego?

Also - in the RP log Arnelos mentions that they have a proposal from ND - did he also say that we could see that?

The reason we have to think so urgently about which way things are heading (and I'd rather not - it's very complicated) is to decide how best to dispose of the Spanish cities.

[Theseus]

Originally posted by OPD
RP belong to us...

All your RP are belong to us!

[Cort Haus]

Got a better PM from RP - this time from Aidun

I might as well copy it here too :

I see that you received BigFree's PM. He can hardly cope with the situation, though his reaction is more offensive than I expected. His reaction is but not the reaction of our team. There is still no consensus. I hope that we can get it soon and I think we will have it soon with Arnelos and I thinking along the same lines and I think he will soon share our point of view, I can but never be sure of it.

Please keep what I said above confidential to my teammembers.

Darekill sent us a PM in which he asks us kindly to leave Pamplona to them after having jumped the palace to N-stormia. We will not agree to this and demand that ND will retreat and leave the Spanish cities alone. On other terms I think we cannot make any deals, because that would mean that we give our current cities right away.
If they want entire Spain, they have to pay for that with blood.

[asleepathewheel]

I'm so confused, and I've been here the whole time!

What can RP offer ND other than their cities?

Who is the voice of RP?

What the hell is going on anymore?

I fear that its almost time to cut bait wrt RP, we don't need this complication anymore.

[OPD]

Well it looks as if ND see things differently.
They see it as RP simply giving them the cities would be the best thing as it would prevent GoW getting them so helping us all against GoW/lego. Also they probably figure RP are going to north stormia anyway so giving up Pamp isn't too much of a big deal to them.

When the reality is that RP will want to hold up in Pamp as long as they can as it is unlikely that either GoW or ND will be willing to loose the large amount of forces it would cost to take the city.

A deal with ND for the other spanish origin cities on bob may be possible as they are likely to be razed anyway. Then perhaps also a deal for Pamp eventually.
We really need to see what Arnelos has to say about things and we need to get onto the same page as ND. RP aren't going to give anything to ND for peace if they're leaving anyway, ND should be giving RP/GS something for peace and the RP cities on bob.
ND may not see things this much in our favour but if the agreement we make with them is more of a 2 way thing they'll be more inclined to go for it. ie peace with us and RP and you get cities but we you have to lux trade with us and trade loads of tech in the future and give up saltpeter for a fair price etc....

The main problem is Pamp, no one is likely to attack it ATM, RP will be unwilling to give it up and ND may not be willing to make deals for the other (soon to be disbanded cities) while RP are still in Pamp.

Anyway the important thing is that we gets things straight with RP first and know where we stand.

[OPD]

I can see things going any of four different ways

1. RP trade away all cities to ND for a very sweet deal for all concerned. Preferable but unlikely.

2. RP agree to trade away all cities other than Pamp, ND agree a deal for these cities not inc Pamp, perhaps with peace at the end perhaps w/o peace. Less preferable but a little more likely. Although 2 sides would have to be persuaded to do this.

3. No deal is made and all cities other than Pamp are razed. Most likely now but least preferable.

4. We trade the cities we currently have on bob to ND independantly of RP. Something I'd very much be against but should still be considered.

4.b) We cut off RP completely....

4.c) Sell cities to GoW......


Even if we end up with no. 3 happening I don't think it'll close the door to trade with ND and certainly won't be the end of possibilities.