Possible message to ND

[Cort Haus]

I'd love to know what ND would think of such an offer, but whether we'll be in a position to help anyone trash anyone in five turns from now is uncertain.

Also, I believe Lego would aid GoW against ND - especially if we joined in.

One thing's for sure - I've no appetite for signing their 'Yes Daddy' humilliation - that's too close to unconditional surrender. This indicates that unless they are bluffing they will take the fight to Stormia - I think it's time to start spelling out some home truths to Lego, and finally test vondrack's concept of 'balance'.

[DeepO]

Do not sign an agreement where we promise never to return to Bob! If they want to continue the war, let them, so far we're not really hit by WW...

At least delay the negotiations until we see where SP is. But I guess you already know that

DeepO

[Cort Haus]

Thinking about it further, Lego might be delighted for the war to continue, with ND and GoW trying to assault Stormia, so they may well back their allies on this one too. However, this would contradict their position that they oppose an attack on Stormia.

I think we should say this to Lego :

1. GS have been told by ND that in addition to the removal of RP and GS from Bob, we must promise never to set foot there again. If we signed this, we would be out of contention immediately from the game.

2. This might be nice for Lego - to break a rival, but less good for Lego is that by breaking GS in this way no-one will be able to help Lego against the Bobian juggernaught.

3. If GS do not sign, ND and GoW will presumably assult Stormia, which might also be nice for Lego - breaking one rival and weakening two others, but if they succeed and eliminate GS & RP from the game, then ND & GoW have 950 tiles to Lego's 400 + Vox. That's very close to domination if they want to declare it, and even if they don't, Lego have 1 luxury, GoW/ND would have seven.

4. Lego have stated that they do not support an attack on Stormia. If so, they cannot support their allies current demands against GS without (a) reversing their policy and (b) very probably handing ND/GoW the game.

[Theseus]

F*ck'em.

I knew there was a good reason we played the 'Always War' AU course.

[Cort Haus]

What if we say to Darekill that if they can prove we're on no SP deposits, we'll piss off now?

[asleepathewheel]

Nice idea.

what if we agreed that they would give us gunpowder and we see that we are on no deposits, then we would withdraw our defending units. (or gift the cities or abandon them)

I wouldn't give them any gold, as they are getting territory basically for free then and an end to the war weariness from us. an easy deal for them, assuming that we aren't on deposits and they have the ability to trade(nda perhaps)

I would never sign something that amounts to an unconditional surrender. If that's what they want, then they know where the eye is.

[Cort Haus]

Hmm, as it stands we can destroy the cities, but we could *give* them to ND - now *that's* a bargaining chip.

[vmxa1]

I like the proposals points that CH posted. I don't see how it is wise for Lego to do anything to help GoW. I can see where the staus quo is good for them. All the warring parties keep on fighting, but no real change in land.

What is Legos plan to win? With one Lux, they will be hard pressed to be in a long war. How do they gain land? The only way for them is to team up and get a deal with someone. They can't gain (significant) land any place with out either GS or GoW can they?

I have no history in the game, but it does seem to me that it is unacceptable to sign any do not come back deals. May as well go out in a blaze.

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by Theseus
I knew there was a good reason we played the 'Always War' AU course.

Was the reason that we are nuts?

[Cort Haus]

I've a feeling they won't be going for it, but here's a draft anyway ...

Darekill,

Thanks for stating your terms, I will be direct.

First, we are unable to accept the 'unconditional surrender' aspect of your proposal.

Second, if it can be proven that we are not holding any saltpeter (SP) deposits we can leave Bob immediately.

Third, if we came to a deal, we could gift you cities under our control, rather than disbanding them. If, in exchange for these cities and the land we hold, you could give us gunpowder it would prove that we hold no SP on Bob, and we will leave.

The alternative is to evict us from Bob the slow and more expensive way, and we'll have gunpowder soon anyway

Regards,

etc

[asleepathewheel]

One thing I just thought of...

Is gunpowder now enough? ND has already played their turn, so we will only be saving what, 2 turns (or about 60 gold)? maybe we could get something else out of it.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by vmxa1
What is Legos plan to win? With one Lux, they will be hard pressed to be in a long war. How do they gain land? The only way for them is to team up and get a deal with someone. They can't gain (significant) land any place with out either GS or GoW can they?

AIUI, Lego don't plan on getting any more land for production - they have enough - but as you say, luxuries are their problem, and they won't last long without allies. Their game has been to weaken GS to the point of removing us as a threat, but intending to have us as an ally after that. Read Lego's official position here

Originally posted by vmxa1
I have no history in the game, but it does seem to me that it is unacceptable to sign any do not come back deals. May as well go out in a blaze.

Quite right

[Theseus]

Worst case, I know we can hold on until Riflemen... build up our economic power again, and then MOBILIZE.

MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[Arrian]

I just read Lego's position, thanks for that link, Cort. I hadn't seen that message.

Muther****ers. Smart muther****ers. But muther****ers nonetheless.

-Arrian

[vmxa1]

Thanks for the link. That was well thought and concise. I would agree that they acted in a way that was smart for them.
Since I do not carry any of the acromony form the past, I have no reason to view them as anything other than an opponent.
ND has already provided me with some incentive to dislike them, not counting the fact that we are at war with them.