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[Cort Haus]

Suggested Unit Movements

Here are suggested unit movements - nothing controversial here - except maybe the remaining knights - what to do with them and the other units around Barca.
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Stormia - Units North

North - general : shuffle and fortify on sea wall. This area is vunerable from GoW, so needs the wall - especially if RP is there.

6 Knights in Wittlich head south

Galleys in Wittlich go to collect stack of 10 on Bob.

Worker nr Santa Anna - join Santa Ana


Stormia - Units South

2 workers in WhirlWind - add to WW & OG?

Galley in OG to OG-7, pick up a knight, then 444

Galley in Monsoon to OG-7

Horse nr EotS to Tempest - upgrade?

Warriors at EotS-77 more 444

Pike at Sandstorm 444

Spear at Inchon move 877

Fortified WC's move north for sea-wall duty.

Bob - Units

Worker at pamp-99 - no idea - either mine pamp-96 , or move 22 then next turn start road on mkt south of pamp, or go east for a road new of toledo.

Galleys at Barca - they could go south to hunt and scout, or come back for shipping the northern knights over. We have six galleys on the Stormia-Bob ferry route atm - and three more coming within 5 turns. I reckon that's enough for that route, and we can send the barca galleys out scouting.

Settlers - back to Sirocco?

Galley with Settler at Sir-6 - back home?

Galley with workers - unload workers and return home, or return home with workers

Galleys in mid-route - 66

Galley at Tempest 6666 continue north

Other : 6 remaining Knights nr Alamo stay put or move 22, to be joined by others from around there. Slash can use the road and lookout from Barca-4441, still with movement.

[Arrian]

The main reason we got slaughtered at Pamp1, I imagine, is the captured catapults. They probably bombarded the crap out of us and then hit us. Depending on just how many cats they have, their casualties could have been quite low.

I'm ok with going relatively passive militarily - further, I think we need to go with civilian builds on Stormia. Our "wall of units" can protect us from outright invasion for a long time. We *do* need east coast watchships, though, and mobile units in the center (near, say, Arashi) that can dash to either the east or west coast to block landings as needed. The north, IIRC, is covered.

-Arrian

[Arrian]

Oh, is using the F8 info from Conquests considered a-ok? I don't think the issue has even been discussed (and I fear such a discussion in the public forum).

Trip? What does the Eye think?

-Arrian

[Cort Haus]

RP

I suggest we give back Toledo and Barca to RP - so that they can (a) build Pikes and (b) piss GoW off by still being there.

We keep New Madrid for now- either building Pikes or a mkt/ch for a possible FP there ourselves. A mkt would also be transferable to RP. If there is SP in the area - we will want to stay, possibly as part of a deal with our foes.

In Stormia, we can suggest they could build / rush Pikes in The Voice and Harry's Hideout then gift them back to us to send the Pikes to Pamplona. That'd be another four Riders GoW need.

For those of us who'd like to cut RP loose and feed them to GoW, I'd say : if we want to do that we could have sold them down the river to GoW during negotiations and maybe got the deal to hit ND.

I outlined reasons for keeping them on another thread : Their conquistador, a GA, rent (which thay cannot refuse to pay, IMV), and a possible role later on on the game - maybe even a return to Spain. We just have to be straight with them and name our price.

They did what we asked with the GoW deal, even though there were doubts among us that they'd co-operate. I'm sure they recognise what we've already done for them. They've just seen 19 of our knights get zapped defending Pamplona.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Arrian
Oh, is using the F8 info from Conquests considered a-ok? I don't think the issue has even been discussed (and I fear such a discussion in the public forum).

Trip? What does the Eye think?

-Arrian

Indeed, I never even considered it a problem, but perhaps it is.

I propose that you, Arrian, who has stayed above the fray, broach the subject in the main forum.

And for that matter it should be raised in the ISDG as well.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Arrian
The main reason we got slaughtered at Pamp1, I imagine, is the captured catapults.
-Arrian

GoW couldn't have got catapults there. The only way would be by road to Alamo-6, but then they'd still be there.

If it was ND knights - they could only have come over the lawn from Fort L and Zeri. If so they'd still be on Pamp-4 but RP haven't sent us screenies. On this of all turns! Also, Togas hasn't replied to my last PM and he usually does promptly- maybe he's not around atm.

[Cort Haus]

Monsoon : has a harbor, and if set to aqueduct would complete aqueduct and grow to 7 in 13 turns.

Tempting, as we no longer need large fleets both north and south. A dummy fleet sailing around GoW's coast might be fun though.

[Arrian]

Thread concerning Conquests F8 information posted in the public forum.

-Arrian

[asleepathewheel]

Thanks Arrian.

[Cort Haus]

Suggested remainder / undecided moves

As it's possible that Theseus won't get the game running on his PC, I've played (not sent) a turn according to the moves and city orders above. The following moves were either not covered above, or are changes to the above (only settlers - there's no cities to add settlers to yet on Stormia and we have a worker pump now).

If needs be, I can send this turn but I can't make it a late-night pressure number if my PC is needed to run the turn, so what I've documented is what we have if we want it.

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Bob:

change: galley with settler unloads settler and moves to OG-77

galley with two workers enters sirocco, unloads workers and moves 666. workers irrigate New Madrid-6

worker at Pamp-77 to Pamp-633

change settlers nr Barca went to Barca-4

Knights at Barca-4 to Barca-411

Stormia:

remaining galleys at Wittlich join galley stack near YK

[Cort Haus]

I hadn't hypothetically gifted any cities to RP, as there's been no discussion on it. Hopefully we can do this before next turn. I sent them a world map.

If I'm not around when Theseus gets online tonight, and the game is crashing for him, I can either send this one or play another one tommorow according to any orders posted here.

[Cort Haus]

I'm still hanging on here, with 'ENTER or SPACEBAR for next turn' flashing at me.

I'm waiting because if anyone has any comments on our positions around Barca and Pamp, there are moves still available. The score is that we have :

6 knights and a pike on Pamp-22,
4 knights, 3 pikes, 3 MI and 3 cats on Barca-411
2 pikes and 1 MI on Barca-4411
2 pikes and an MI on Barca-441

2 of the knights on Barca--411 have moved 2/6 'road moves'.
Slash has used 2/3 road moves checking there's no stack our side of Merida.

Also there's the possibility of giving Barca and Toledo to RP - if anyone has comments on that.

[Theseus]

Hang on CH... I just got home. Damn, it's COLD outside.

Lemme catch up for a few minutes.

[Cort Haus]

'Evening, T

I knew it was worth hanging on for an hour while you made your way home.

[Theseus]

I am fine with all of the above. Can we position the Settlers so that we can have 2 new cities built no later than 3 turns from now (if diplo is successful)?

How many Galleys are picking up the stack of 10 units in the north? We should detail 3 Galleys to scout the south.

I'd go for the Harbor in Monsoon.

Wait 1 turn re gifting the cities back... perhaps we can somehow incorporate that possibility / action into our diplo negotiations with both ND and GoW. Good call re having RP build Pikes in N. Stormia... we should do everything possible to see them built ASAP.

Anything else before sending it off?