DIPLO: Vox Contact Thread

[Arrian]

Interesting.

Greetings Arrian,

We will indeed be reaching the industrial age soon. In truth we should reach it this turn (720ad). We obviously do not know what it is we will receive, but rest assured we are willing to trade it with you (unless it's Steam Power of course since you already have that).

Basically what we'd be looking for in return are luxury options and gold. I've discussed with Sleepy in the past that we'd like to build up options to call in for 20-turn luxuries in the future when we will be needing them (after our aqueducts are built ).

Also, if you are interested, Vox still has Democracy to trade to you if you are interested. The original deal we'd proposed of 3 luxury options and 100 gold fell through because of the gold request, but we'd be willing to negotiate if your team is interested again. Perhaps a 5gpt deal instead of a straight 100 gold, or perhaps a 4th tech option instead of the gold would work.

Regards,

Rhoth

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Hey, thanks for the fast reply!

Gold and luxuries on demand sound good to me - we can work with that. Get back in touch when you know which tech you got, ok?

While we may be interested in demo at some point in the future, we aren't now, sorry. We can't really afford the anarchy, and the benifit would be minimal anyway. Our empire is very small, after all (you know the feeling, I'm sure).

-Arrian

So apparently they're allowed to trade normally. Silly Lego! But hey, I'll take it!

[DeepO]

Thanks Rhoth, we figured already you got Nationalism. Please let me take it to the team, to see what we can offer.

DeepO

Greetings to Arrian, asleepathewheel, DeepO and the ever growing membership of Gathering Storm,

Pursuant to Arrian's question the other day regarding trading for our free tech we have indeed received Nationalism and we would be willing to trade it to you. We would like to see what your team is willing to offer. Our interests lie in future options for 20-turn luxury deals and gold. We look forward to hearing from you.

Regards,

Rhoth

[DeepO]

Thanks Roth,

let me take it to my forum please. We'll answer you soon.

DeepO

Greetings to Arrian, asleepathewheel, Cort Haus, DeepO, and the many fine people of Gathering Storm.

Last week we discussed the possibilities of a trade for nationalism and we had sent back that we were interested in gold and luxuries. However we have had more time to think about it and we are interested in the technology of electricity. If you are currently researching electricity we would like to trade for it. Our rock needs irrigation and it would be a while otherwise before we would be able to research that technology (we were really hoping for Steam Power for our free tech. )

We realize that electricity is more expensive than nationalism (by 20 tech points) so in return we propose that we would include democracy with the deal and in return you would include one 20-turn future luxury option.

There would of course be a 20-turn no-trade agreement attached to the trade on both our sides.

Let me know what your team thinks about this. We look forward to hearing from you.

Regards,

Rhoth

[Arrian]

Heh, got the same thing, and sent a bit more of a response:

Rhoth,

Heh, interesting. I just posted a proposal to pay you in gold and luxuries for nationalism in our private forum. I guess I'll scrap that then. No biggie, since I was pulling numbers from thin air anyway.

I personally prefer tech-for-tech trades, so in general I like your idea, although the specifics may need further negotiation. I'll get back to you on it. We might, in fact, be interested in Democracy down the road a bit, so it's possible your idea could work. I agree we would want a 20-turn no-trade clause on the deal.

-Arrian

[DeepO]

My apologies Rhoth... I think we overlooked this. We have been going through some problems with diplo personnel lately, all our ambassadors are swamped in RL issues

I'll try to see if anyone is active.

DeepO

Greetings to Arrian, asleepathewheel, DeepO and the many fine people of Gathering Storm.

I haven't heard back from you yet so I'm just inquiring about the status of the possible nationalism deal that we had discussed a little while back. Has your team voted on it yet? We look forward to hearing from you.

Regards,

Rhoth

[DeepO]

Ah I certainly understand. Not a problem.

Thanks for the quick response.

Rhoth

[Arrian]

PM to Rhoth:

Rhoth,

Sorry for our unresponsiveness on this.

We are, in fact, interested in trading Electricity for Nationalism... just not yet. We're not real keen on devaluing the tech yet. We've been having problems of late with tech deals... with a particular team, and it's complicating all that we do.

I will ask my team to try and figure out when we will be ready to do the deal. I don't think it should be more than a few turns, but I'm not positive on that... sorry.

-Arrian

[Arrian]

Response from Rhoth:

Thanks Arrian. We'll wait for your response on when you're ready to trade. A few turns is fine. Hopefully it won't be too long though. We're itching to finally squeeze some water out of our rock.

Regards,

Rhoth

[DeepO]

Sent to Rhoth:

Rhoth,

Our forum stays very quiet... too bad. But I think we let you wait long enough for a response, for which I apologize. Normally I'm not an ambassador, so forgive me if this is not worded perfectly, but here's our proposal:

We're not exactly interested in democracy, as we explained to you before. We wouldn't gain much by switching govs, and can't afford the anarchy, even if it's only one turn. We are interested in Nationalism, though.

We offer you Electricity as a one on one trade for Nationalism. However, seeing as Electricity is worth a lot more beakers (base cost being 3360 beakers instead of Nationalism at 2880, and Nationalism has devalued by trading it to other teams), and you will be the second to receive Electricity (after ourselves), we ask for a favor: To uphold, instead of the now more or less standard 20-turn NDAs on techs, a 30-turn NDA on Electricity. This should ensure to us that we have ample opportunity to trade our tech around.

I've sent you Electricity unaccepted in the save, if you offer Nationalism in return and accept, you can have Elec in 2 turns from now (meaning your workers only need to wait one turn before they can irrigate)

So, would you be interested in the following deal:

We give Electricity, which you promise to not trade or give away for another 30 turns after receiving it (meaning not before turn 227 (we're currently at 195).
In return, we acquire Nationalism, which we do not trade or give away in 20 turns, meaning before turn 217.

If this satisfies you, just reply to our offer of Elec with Nat, accept the deal, and send it our way. It is the fastest way I can think of that gives you Electricity. And frankly, I think it's a good deal for you, or at least among the best we can offer.

kind regards,
DeepO

[DeepO]

Thanks Rhoth.

I understand about democracy, but right now, nor in the near future, do I see us switching govs. Maybe later, how knows...

Communism seems an interesting tech for the police stations, but we again face the same problem as with democracy: our empire is too small to benefit from lesser corruption. But I guess we would be more interested in communism then in democracy, that's for sure. So let us know when you research it, and maybe we can work something out.

BTW, if you're interested in our lux, I'm sure we would be willing to trade them to you for gpt, as it seems there is not a lot left to trade with. Now that you will have irrigation, your empire might need lux soon...

DeepO

Greetings to DeepO and the many fine people of Gathering Storm.

We at Vox Controli do agree to this deal and the 30 turn NDA. We will not trade electricity before the turn you specified.

I will send you nationalism-accepted on this turn as response.

Regarding democracy, one of the reasons I was trying to dangle that as trade bait was that the NDA's we had received from our other trades were expiring soon and wanted to finish being the "Purveyors of democracy to the world" before one of the other teams tried to trade it to you. But if you're no interested in it at all then not a problem. I'll stop dangling it as trade bait.

On that note, we are researching communism right now. If you're team is interested, please give me a holler and we can work something out.

Thanks and pleasure doing business with you.

Rhoth

[DeepO]

Rhoth, I don't know what value we should place on luxuries, we have never done that before. Let me check with the rest of our members... and please remind us if we forget to get back to you again, our diplo can be a mess sometimes

DeepO

And thank you.

It will be several more turns before we're finished with research of communism. Our little island doesn't allow for research as quickly as the 'Big 4' which is why we head for the optional techs. When we get a little closer I'll contact you again.

Regarding the luxury, we would definitely be interested in dealing for it. Not quite yet, but definitely in the near future. How much would you want for it?

Regards,

Rhoth

[Krill]

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 3334
Vox Controli communism/luxury deal
Greetings to Arrian, asleepathewheel, and DeepO of Gathering Storm.

I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. I had honestly forgotten about the potential trade. In any case Vox Controli agrees to your proposal of two 20-turn luxury options for the technology of communism. We will also agree not to re-trade either of the luxuries and request a 20 turn NDA on communism.

If this deal is still agreeable with your team then we can send you communism-accepted on our next turn. However, we are not quite ready to receive the luxuries yet, but we will soon. When we are ready for one or both I will contact you and ask you to send a luxury then.

Pleasure doing business with you,

Rhoth

Recieved a while ago, via Sleepy

[asleepathewheel]

Me to Rhoth, something like this

Sure, let us know when you need the luxes

[asleepathewheel]

Whoops, sorry. That was my fault. I'll send it this turn.

Rhoth

[DeepO]

Rhoth,

It will be done.

cheers,
DeepO

Greetings to DeepO, Arrian, asleepathewheel and the many fine people of Gathering Storm.

We at Vox Controli would like to request that one of the two luxury items that was a part of our tech deal not long ago be sent this coming turn. It doesn't matter which one. Thanks again and pleasure doing business with you.

Rhoth