DIPLO: Vox Contact Thread

[asleepathewheel]

Great, thats what we thought, thanks for the confirmation

Hi Sleepy,

Printing Press will be finished in 500ad, so 4 turns from now (for us since your team has already played one of those turns). We will send it -accepted the same turn we finish it.

Regards,

Rhoth

[asleepathewheel]

Rhoth-

With regards to the printing press trade, we were wondering if you were placing any NDA's or similar requirements/requests on the tech. Slipped my mind up to this point, as invention hardly needs an NDA at this point.

-aatw

[asleepathewheel]

Greetings asleepathewheel,

The deal for Printing Press did not contain any no trade agreements or turn-conditional agreements (an oversight on my part ) so Vox Controli will not demand one now. However we would appreciate it if we could set up a 5 or 10 turn conditional agreement as we are currently attempting to work out a deal with another team.

Speaking of deals, I'd like to take this opportunity to begin discussion about future dealing. Our teams had rough relations in the past, but I think we've done well in smoothing that out with recent discussions and trades. Vox Controli would like to see if Gathering Storm is open to a future trade involving the tech known as democracy? As soon as we finish research of printing press we will be moving on to democracy for a more enlightened government structure. If Gathering Storm is willing we can begin discussion regarding trades and timing. Pleasure doing business with you.

Regards,

Rhoth

[asleepathewheel]

Rhoth-

I'm glad, personally, that the relationship between our teams has thawed considerably. Frankly we are more than happy to discuss trades with you, we don't have much contact with the other civs, so its nice to be social and productive.

With regards to the printing press issue, the ten turns are not a problem, we certainly understand and were just doublechecking to make sure that we avoided any incidents. No need to let a misunderstanding endanger the new era of peace. We feel that we have been taken advantage of in the past under similar circumstances (not by Vox of course), and have no desire to return the favor on anyone.

As to a possible trade for Democracy, we would be more than willing to trade you something in exchange. What do you have in mind? We currently have a fur resource that we could trade you. And there are other possibilities as well. I think we are otherwise at tech parity, for now, but of course have research projects of our own that we are pursuing. Anyway, tell us what you have in mind, and we can see where we can meet.

[asleepathewheel]

Vox/GS Democracy Deal
Greetings to asleepathewheel and the many fine people of Gathering Storm.

We at Vox Controli are also very glad that our mutual relations have repaired themselves greatly. The specters of the past have been exorcised and a new outlook for peace is shared by both our teams.

Regarding a potential deal for democracy, Vox Controli is interested primarily in future technological progression or gold. At this time we have no real need for furs; despite the relatively frigid air of our ski slopes our people have developed thick skins to ward off the chill. We'd like to discuss our options further with you regarding this matter based on your preference for either trading gold or technology, and your future technology plans. We look forward to hearing from you.

Regards,

Rhoth

[asleepathewheel]

Greetings asleepathewheel.

I certainly understand about RL issues. I've been busy too.

Regarding democracy, we should finish research between 15-18 turns from now. We look forward to hearing from you.

Regards,

Rhoth

[asleepathewheel]

Greetings to asleepathewheel and the many fine people of Gathering Storm.

Just an FYI that we will have democracy research finished in 9 turns from 580ad. We might also be able to move that down to 8 turns as the time goes on. We look forward to hearing from you about a possible deal involving that technology.

Regards,

Rhoth

[asleepathewheel]

Rhothaerill-

We would love to make a deal with you, but unfortunately it seems that every tech we get either through our own research or through trade, you gain through your own means either the same turn or shortly thereafter.
In truth, the benefits of Democracy are relatively marginal, compared to a mandatory tech. Outlaying gold for it would carry a high opportunity cost, and Democracy is an expensive item. We could offer you Physics, but not until certain key parties have already researched it. We also have luxuries, as suggested before.

Gathering Storm

[asleepathewheel]

RE: democracy
Hi Sleepy. Thanks for the response. Though it wasn't exactly what we had hoped for, I do understand. Let me take this back to my team and see what the others think about waiting for physics. I personally don't mind waiting, but I want to see what my team thinks. Perhaps we can work something out whereby we give you democracy now and you can give us physics and perhaps an option for a future luxury resource later on.

Thanks,

Rhoth

[asleepathewheel]

Rhothaerill-

We discussed before the possibility of us trading you physics. Now we are in a position to do so, and I see that your team does not have it yet. Interested?

-aatw

[asleepathewheel]

RE: PTWDG: democracy
Hi Sleepy. Let me take this back to my team. I'll get back to you soon. Thanks.

Rhoth

[Cort Haus]

exchange with Rhoth

Hi Cort Haus. Sorry but I forgot to send this to you last night. Thank you for sending physics last turn, but we were unable to complete the deal yet for two reasons. 1) we are still discussing it internally and 2) we don't have democracy for another few turns. I will be honest that we after asleepathewheel originally mentioned that you would not be able to send us physics for a while we have been working to get it from other sources. However that deal has not been finalized yet either.

However, let me take this time to feel your team out about a possible other deal for democracy too. A while back asleepathewheel had mentioned that youhave several luxuries to trade. We were thinking about the possibility of trading democracy to you for future luxury deals (i.e. we don't need any now, but we will in the future and would like to have the option to request 20 turn luxury deals from you when we need it). Are you interested? And if so, what do you think would be fair? We look forward to hearing from you. Thanks

Rhoth

and the reply :

Thanks for the note, Rhoth. I'll post it on our forum for discussion. Off the top of my head, I don't think we're in a hurry for Democracy, but maybe we'll want it some time when you guys have built your aqueducts and need more lux, so perhaps we will have a deal at some point.

Regards,

Cort.

[asleepathewheel]

Vox/GS Democracy deal
Greetings to asleepathewheel and the many fine people of Gathering Storm.

We at Vox Controli regret to inform you that we have finalized a deal with another team for physics. Per my PM to Cort Haus while you were gone, we went to another source after your original PM about not being able to send us physics for a while.

However, we are still very interested in working out a deal with your team for democracy. As an alternate proposal we are willing to send you democracy now (well, on 670ad when we finish research ). In exchange we would request 100 gold and options on 3 20-turn luxury deals in the future. We do not need luxuries at this time, but we will in the future when we have a few more cities able to grow above size 6. At that time we would request that you send us a luxury resource for the agreed upon amount of turns.

If this is acceptable to you and your team we can write up a formal deal. We look forward to hearing from you.

Regards,

Rhoth

[asleepathewheel]

I'm sorry, but at this time we are going to have to decline. We just don't have the cash on hand to spare. And while we are religious, we can't afford even one turn of anarchy right now, so democracy is of little current utility. We will have either Theory of Gravity or magnetism available for trade in a turn or two (I can't remember which at the moment), but we expect that you will have procured those from other sources as well.

Sorry we couldn't work something out

-aatw

Greetings to asleepathewheel and the many fine people of Gathering Storm,

And in a less official manner...Hi Sleepy.

I just wanted to inquire how the possible deal of democracy for 100 gold and 3 luxury options was going in your forum. We will be playing the turn tonight and we receive democracy once we open it.

I look forward to hearing from you,

Rhoth

[Arrian]

Edit - Sent to Vox:

Rhoth,

Since the industrial age is upon us, I thought it was about time we had a discussion about possible technology trading. Last I checked, you were not yet in the industrial age, but I imagine you will be soon, and of course will be receiving your bonus technology.

Suffice it to say that, unless it's the one we've already researched (Steam Power), we would be interested in acquiring it from you.

Would you be willing to give us a shout once you've gotten it, and let us know what it is and what you might be willing to trade it for?

-Arrian

p.s. It's probably best to PM multiple Stormians at once, just to make sure the team gets it quickly. I know Cort Haus is on vacation next week, so the best bets are probably me, DeepO and Sleepy. Thanks!