Turn 133, 90 AD

[DeepO]

the knight frmo P69 towards P99 seems to be in order, but let's wait to see what we do further in that area. from the jungle tile, the same problem exists, and if we don't take out the lone rider (which is less of a problem then the main stack), more mountains as well.

Can anyone give an accurate count of how many knights we have to attack the hill with, including chained reinforcements?

DeepO

[DeepO]

BTW, in reviewing the screenshots from RP: they didn't upgrade their horses when they received chivalry, but only after they went out of F6? they have gold left at the screenshot... that's not so nice, those knights could have dealt with the Southern Ansars, or help us with GoW. Now, they will be one turn late

DeepO

[zeit]

I didn't mention Barc- but its a serious problem for us, I to support a counter-attack on Barc, instead of trying to defend it (a lost cause), but how does this figures out with any plan to attack Z?

Will we even get a chance at a counter attack on B? they can attack it in 2 turns, and fall back to the hills on B4- do we have enough forces available to make them pay for taking Barc and going to the hills? I'm not sure- probably not if we go for Z...

Of course, taking Z back just might save RP's ass... if that's what we're planning for, maybe that's the move we should make, because P is toast right now if ND and GoW wants to, but if we strike Z soon enough, their plans may change. Chasing Riders around is not my favorite pass time, and I still think they're converging on Pamplona, as well as trying to draw as much forces as they can, that's why I think those cat and mouse games lead us nowhere, while marching our forces towards Z might do some good...

[DeepO]

Zaragosa is a worthy target, but ND isn't half the problem GoW is right now... I don't like chasing riders, but if we leave them be, they won't only take Barca, but also 3 other cities in 110 AD, and a further 2 or 3 in 130 AD. At that point, RP is gone, with or without Pamplona.

This is why I think they will rather bend down more South, and leave Pamplona to ND... which is why we should need to do the same, IMHO.

DeepO

[zeit]

DeepO- we have but 3-4 knights to attack their main stack with, and they are left on the flats afterwards- do we really want to? (perhaps yes, we won't get anything better than unfortified riders on hills for some time)

[DeepO]

only 3-4? damn... if it was 6-7, I would go for it immediately. We can protect our knights (if any remain) with pikes and such, we have enough of those coming in the galleys, which can all be moved for protection if we want to. But with only a possible 2 kills or so, it is hardly worth it.

But even then... we might need to do it, we will have to whiter that stack down, and can't plan on taking it out in one turn only. If we would be sure GoW would be moving in range next turn, things would be better to wait, but we can't be sure of that...

DeepO

[zeit]

I have to disagree- GoW and ND both know that without P, RP is worth nothing, and they are both in a prime shape to strike, GoW has our forced scattered and ineffective, ND cleverly pillaged roads so that RP main army won't get to P in time before GoW could attack, and we can do nothing but counter-attack...

OTOH, GoW has shown they seek easy fights, so they might head south- the question is- can we chase them?

Besides, those knights and Med. Infs in T are out of the picture with anything that has to do with defending the south, so I think they're only use is either to counter attack on P, or take Z and free RP from dealing with ND...


On poly:

/join #GS penguin

[DeepO]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Can anyone figure out how all that got pillaged by 14 Riders, if 11 Riders made it to Pamplona 6 3 3. I am curious.

Sure...

1. First they moved their 11 riders out of the way.
2. Then, they moved the 3/4 rider towards NM 47, pillaged, and moved 1 onto the mountain
3. One of the remaning riders moves 27 onto T21(hill).
4. The other one pillages the road at T2, moves 274
5. Lastly, the hill rider pillages, and moves 4.

It's about what I would have done, with the exception that you can also pillage the irrigated wheat, and move from there onto the mountain together with the 2 other pillagers. But they clearly wanted to break our road system right now, instead of further damaging us in the long term. And they keep their stack mostly together, instead of breaking up into smaller ones... another indication they are going South, not for Pamplona.

DeepO

[DeepO]

trying to enter chat room. But like most of the times, it won't let me in... I'll keep trying for a bit (not terribly much time, though)

As to Pamplona: one city is not that important. If I was GoW, I would take out all their other cities, and leave Pamplona for last. Why waste the majority of your forces on one production center (even if it is the best one), if you have 7 other production centers just waiting to be taken?

DeepO

[Shiber]

Shall I go ahead and attack the lonely rider with a knight from NM?

[zeit]

Shouldn't we want to try and soften it up with a Cat before?

[Shiber]

That would leave the cat open. We'd have to cover it with pikes if we don't want GoW to easily capture it (still they can do it, since the pikes will be fortified, but positioned on grass), or we can leave it open, hoping that GoW would try to take it and then we'll have an easy shot at another rider.

[DeepO]

guys, let's wait for our generals and American friends to comment on this, no need to rush anything.

I like the cat in the open idea though, one more rider off the stack.

DeepO

[zeit]

Yes, I suggest we wait for them. DeepO, no luck with the poly IRC?

[Shiber]

Btw, ND scout at Toledo-44.