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**Shiber** · July 13, 2003, 10:44

Shall we offer the screenshot of our embassy in Pamplona to GoW and ND for 10 gold each?

**Octavian X** · July 14, 2003, 00:31

I don't see why it would hurt us. I assume GoW and ND already know of our Spanish ambitions...

**Shiber** · July 14, 2003, 03:21

Proposed messages to GoW and ND:

Dear Borc/UnOrthOdOx,

In 50 BC, we've established an embassy in the Spanish city of Pamplona. We're hoping to recover some of the costs by sharing our screenshot of the investigation of Pamplona with you, in exchange for 10 gold (a fraction of the price it would cost you to investigate the city). Are you interested in such a deal?

Also, please keep in mind that our door is always open for business. Our embassy can also be your embassy, or as the Spaniards say, 'Mi Kasa es Tu Kasa'. If the need arise for you to use our embassy, please let us know and we will figure out together how to share the operational costs.

Best regards,
Shiber.

**notyoueither** · July 14, 2003, 03:55

I have misgivings about that, until the team decides how much support we should lend to accelerating the RP dismemberment. If we gain no cities, it is in our interests to see this war be as long and bloody for ND and GoW as possible, or is it?

The point being, until we are assured an equitable piece of the pie, we do nothing to hurt RP. Intel can be more valuable than gold. It is worth far more than the in game gold spent to get it under the right circumstances. It can mean the difference between victory and defeat. Those are my thoughts on the matter at the moment.

**Harovan** · July 14, 2003, 04:17

The 30 turn NAP with GoW was a grave mistake, given the fact that they ***** about us getting a piece of Bob. It was agreed way too fast and without discussion of our options. We should either backstab them (prabably not possible with our codex of honor), or pick on ND as Theseus suggests. Under no circumstances should we do anything that hurts RP, not even distract forces by patroling galleys.

**notyoueither** · July 14, 2003, 04:35

I agree. We have had an option cut off. I accept responsibility for that.

We do have options left open to us though. Bob will not easily keep us out.

**Arrian** · July 14, 2003, 11:17

We could just try ignoring the "no keeping cities" part...

GoW was trying to pin ND with the blame for the "no keeping cities" thing. If they aren't lying, it possibly presents an opportunity for us to drive a wedge between them, and get a GoW+GS attack on ND going after RP is dead.

-Arrian

**vulture** · July 14, 2003, 11:54

If you were GoW, who would you rather share a 2 civ Bob with? Us, with high corruption, recently conquered cities (we can play up this part) or ND, with a well developed core? Although we have a nice core elsewhere, the point is that ND's cities are much more tempting targets than any we might capture, and more useful to GoW in terms of distance to their core. We might be able to persuade them that us and them vs ND is the next step, especially if we only have a small territory on Bob compared to ND - there wouldn't be much to gain from us, but a lot to gain from ND. And then it wouldn't matter if ND didn't like us having cities.

**vulture** · July 14, 2003, 12:06

EDIT double post - wouldn't let me change it yesterday

**Shiber** · July 14, 2003, 14:35

Vulture, IMHO we should concentrate on the advantages that we have over ND, and groom them. I'm talking about advantages such as our record and code of honor, and the fact that we are not distanced outsiders such as ND. I'm sure we can think of more.
In the mean time, we must do anything we can to improve our relations with GoW.

**Shiber** · July 14, 2003, 17:19

When is the joint GS+GoW+ND chat going to take place?
We need to press the issue of us and Bobian soil!

**Aeson** · July 14, 2003, 17:48

I don't think we should try to convince anyone to choose us over another civ. Look at RP... we don't want to even come close to looking manipulative.

I think GoW realizes that if ND takes 2/3rds of Bob and makes it productive that they've lost almost surely. They also have to realize that to win they have to beat ND along the way. Us too.

As mentioned, their best shot is if someone has an unproductive portion of Bob, and they take ND. They can come to this conclusion on their own, and we'd probably sound condescending to try to convince them of it.

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We also shouldn't mention anything about what we are doing as far as investigating cities. Don't give them any ideas, and hopefully they will walk into something that hurts them as much as possible, while we pick the easy targets and get set up for a confrontation with ND and/or GoW as quickly as possible.

**asleepathewheel** · July 14, 2003, 18:09

Originally posted by Aeson
I think GoW realizes that if ND takes 2/3rds of Bob and makes it productive that they've lost almost surely. They also have to realize that to win they have to beat ND along the way. Us too.

They don't have to beat us to win. They can ignore us and fortify against us and take out lego. We could have the greatest economy and military and tech, but if we just sit on it, they win.

They can win by ignoring our land. We cannot win by ignoring theirs.

**Shiber** · July 20, 2003, 17:00

Can we please contact GoW again and ask to arrange another GS-GoW-ND summit? It's important that we kill any suspicions...

**Theseus** · July 21, 2003, 20:58

I cannot believe the lack of action in the public forum.

We've thrown all the demagogues for a loop!!

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