Office of Diplomatic Affairs

[ManicStarSeed]

That works for me. I think tha short simple (business-like) questions would yield the best results..

Mss

[ManicStarSeed]

Originally posted by Shiber
I would like to propose the following:
Let's ask RP to pull their galley back, in return for a discounted map deal. If they keep exploring our coast, our map might be worth far less than it is now by the time that we sell it to the world.
Since they're probably roleplaying with that galley, they might be more reluctant than we would expect to pull it back... but perhaps we can join in on the roleplaying bit.

I have thought about this, and I think that the small (relatively) change in value would not outtweigh the diplomatic collateral we are trying to build up right now.

Letting the gallley through can only be a test of trust on both parts. In the end (assuming smooth sailing ) we would have this episode to look back on and say our trust was well founded. This is the subtle way trust can be built.

Mss

[Octavian X]

I agree. This would be a great way to get RP to like us a bit more than they do. And, we don't just what the heck is on that galley...

[Shiber]

Okay, can we send the message that I proposed to send to RP in my last post in this thread?
Ambassadors?

[notyoueither]

Send it, Shiber.

[Shiber]

Where's the RP log thread?

Honorable E_T,

In the past, your team has shown interest in acquiring our world map.
It is now available for purchase. Would you be interested? If so, please propose your price for the map and we will get back to you shortly.
Please send your reply to Zeit and ManicStarSeed. Thank you.

Best regards,
Shiber,
Gathering Storm.

[zeit]

Shiber- you can reach the log though the links in the opening post of this thread

I'll send it to Togas as well- E_T mentioned his activity level will decline due to RL issues.

[OPD]

MSS where do we stand on the map to RP issue? They have asked that we simply give them our map in exchange for them not scouting our coast.

[ManicStarSeed]

Originally posted by OPD
MSS where do we stand on the map to RP issue? They have asked that we simply give them our map in exchange for them not scouting our coast.

I would rather them scout our coast. It utilizes a resourse of theirs. We gain nothing from RP not scouting if we give them a WM for it.

I would check with the Tactical and Economic scholias for a final descision on what we would take. If they are willing to part with it for nothing, I guess I am ok with that. Our WP contains more than our coast. It will have all our internal geography some of which can only be surmised after a round trip along our coast.

In short, if they were to offer 10-30 gold AND cease (or continue, it makes no difference beyond a ship in our waters) scouting, That would be better.

Also, never "draw a line" with them. Always let them know we are willing to negotiate they appear to be touchy in this regard.

Mss

[Aeson]

We should try to get their map in exchange for ours. It updates the tiles, so we can see where they are headed with workers and such (probably to hook up luxuries, but it would be good to see as many improvements as possible).

Our map is basically 'worthless' now, and RP seems to understand that. There are rather large diplomatic benefits for us trading or even giving it away though. GoW is going to do it anyways once we do that trade, so we might as well get the brownie points ourselves first.

RP's galley ties up more resources for us than it does for them. Not that we have anything to do with those units right now, but it could matter in 5-10 turns.

[ManicStarSeed]

I see your points... hmmmm

I would support the RP WM+no explore for WM under the conditions that RP ubnderstands that any of their ships in our waters will be considered and act of war.

Mss

BTW Brownie points will be good so lets finalize the WM trades.

[OPD]

Originally posted by ManicStarSeed
I would support the RP WM+no explore for WM under the conditions that RP ubnderstands that any of their ships in our waters will be considered and act of war.

ok so, swap WM and they leave our waters. Although Letting them know that being in our waters would mean war would be hard to do while still sounding civil.

Perhaps we could say we agree to your previous suggestion as long as you also give us your WM??

[ManicStarSeed]

Yeah, I guess we should be civil...

I would support WM for WM + they leave..

Mss

[Aeson]

Let's not even request that they withdraw the ship. We want to be able to send some of ours out... and once they have our map they'll probably head back anyways.

[Octavian X]

If we're gonna let them have a map and NOT demand that they remove their galley, don't give them the map. The less the outside world knows of Stormia, the better our position when invasion comes.