Office of Diplomatic Affairs

[DeepO]

Originally posted by Aeson
Let's not even request that they withdraw the ship. We want to be able to send some of ours out... and once they have our map they'll probably head back anyways.

Fully agree on this statement.

DeepO

[Shiber]

Whoever is in charge of correspondence with GoW and RP, please put some pressure and get them to trade us luxuries as well (now that we will have spices from ND).

[DeepO]

What about out WM, we have a nearly decided deal with Lego, but what is the status with the others?

DeepO

[OPD]

deal with RP is agreed
silks and gems for incense and furs

[Theseus]

Exxxx-cellent, Smithers.

[zeit]

What about out WM, we have a nearly decided deal with Lego, but what is the status with the others?

As far as I know, we have WM-WM trade with GoW ratified, but I havn't heard from UnO for some time...

[Shiber]

Ok, so we're supposed to send incense and furs to RP next turn (we'll have peace next turn, and therefore access to Vox's harbor), right? Good!

On another note, Vox isn't supposed to abandon The Voice. They think that if all their cities on Stormia are left with just 1 pop and the city on Lego Land has 2 pop, the capital would move to Lego Land (that's according to one of their last PMs), but we know that this also depends on the proximity to other cities.
We have to explain to them, again, that what they're supposed to do is to gift us all of their towns and let us capture The Voice so that their capital would move to Lego Land, and then we will gift them a city, they'll move all their units to that city and gift it back to teleport to Lego Land.

[DeepO]

Shiber, that's just one option... we could also do it without giving them a city back for a moment.

However, there is one advantage to getting a deal where we get all their cities for moment, then giving one back: we could do it in more stages, so that Vox is able to teleport settlers at e.g. turn 5, 10 and 15. This will help them with their gold problem, as frankly I do not like them asking gold from us. Problem here is that with their capital so far away, corruption will be overwhelming to them...

DeepO

[Shiber]

Since we're going to swap maps with GoW (our TM for their WM, IIRC) and use our WM in a deal with Lego, and since RP isn't so keen to buy our world map, I'd like to offer our WM to ND for a measly 20 gold, on a loan.
Thoughts? Objections? Or can I proceed with this?

[DeepO]

Shiber, we originally asked for WM+20 gold (don't know if this was ever said to them). Right now, either of the two would be good for me, in that a WM for WM, or a WM for 20 gold deal would do nicely... Don't know about the loan: either they can pay us now, or they can't pay us at all... in 20 turns time, they could value their 20 gold even more then now.

DeepO

[vulture]

I'm happy with that, since it's better than getting nothing for it. We could offer the same to RP (or take them up on their ludicrous offer and them offer them the rights to sail in our waters for 15 turns for 20 gold instead )

[Shiber]

Keep in mind that we are giving RP our world map for technically free (their WM is worth near to nothing for us). I would mention to them that not only they are getting the best deal for our World Map in the entire world, but they are given a map that basically reads 'How to invade Gathering Storm', and that if someone should be worried about invasions, it's us, not them.

[DeepO]

Not too agressively, please. Already RP is not our best friend... it would be good to mention (not specifically state) that they are getting the best deal, but only if we need something in chat to persuade them... otherwise I wouldn't tell them.

DeepO

[OPD]

I think MSS or maybe NYE should talk to RP next time as it is very delicate and important. We can wait for them to come to us as the agreement is on ours terms as it stands.

[notyoueither]

OPD, you are doing great with BigFree. If you want me along, OK. Early evenings for me would be fine. I am 6 hours behind GMT right now.