Beginning Vox

[Tiberius]

not that one! This one:

Lego-Vox trade treaty of 630BC

1. Vox agrees to gift Engineering to Lego on the turn it becomes available for Vox. Lego agrees on a 20 turns "no-whoring" clause.

2. Lego agrees to gift Theology to Vox upon request, urging Vox not to request it until they need it for Education, in order to make it difficult for any other team trying to research it on their own. Vox agrees not to build the Sistine Chapel, and to not trade Theology to any team unless that team also agrees not to build the Sistine Chapel as part of the trade.

3. Lego agrees to pay 120 gold to Vox on turn 98 (Vox receives it on turn 99). Vox gifts Lego their WM on turn 99, their WM again when the war with GS is over and war reports and screenshots at least every 3 turns.

4. Lego grants Vox a loan of 120 gold on turn 102 (Vox receives on turn 103). Vox starts repaying it within 20 turns after turn 103, in an amount of 6 gpt, for 20 turns.

5. Both parties agree to keep this trade agreement top secret, never revealing any details to a third party.

Most interesting are point 3 and 4, obviously. You can calculate exactly at what extent we were supporting the Vox war efforts.

[DeepO]

Originally posted by vondrack
You'd be laughing seeing me "re-discover" the history of that first unfortunate GS-Lego deal... re-writing my post in the public forum all the time, as new evidence kept "emerging". I had it quite twisted in my memory...

Huh. I just reread our chat logs from that period, together with what must have been your first post. It sure is different, Vond. I really didn't understand what you were upset about, if you read those logs you see that we tried over and over again to strike a fair deal. And the main reason why we din't want a 3-way deal, is that we felt that Vox was not reliable enough to provide you with their research.

But these were different times. The 10-turn NDA's made a problem as they were too short, while we still figured that one third of the beakercost of a tech would be acceptable as payment. Later on, this changed a lot.

I also reread the chat right after the first turn in the Voxian war (when we got into GA), it's hilarious. Here we are, just talking about trades like it was the only thing in the news, while you guys were showing up with half your team to read more on the progress of the war. We felt it irrelevant

DeepO

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by DeepO
That agreement was already obsolete before signing it, which explains the odd addendum. In that, we gave a plan to speed up evacuation, and to avoid that you needed to build galleys (you had one, if I recall).

But it's strange to see you were supposed to give us your free techs... I forgot about that, and you did as well, it seems

DeepO

We weren't supposed to give you our free tech we were supposed to give you favorable terms.

13. If applicable, Vox will sell or trade its free industrial and modern techs to Gathering Storm on terms at least as favorable as those on which it provides them to any other nation. This includes giving Gathering Storm an equal opportunity to pay with techs or other commodities rather than gold. Commitments required in return for land in your new home will not count in this regard, however.

For nationalism, our free tech for the industrial age, we gave you a fair deal (though I'd have to check the FA threads to see what it was). For our free modern tech I had tried to browbeat Beta into taking Vox back after Lego lost so I don't know what happened there, but I think GS already had researched our free tech.

[Krill]

Wasn't your free tech Fission? If it was, you gave us that...

[Rhothaerill]

Okay so it appears you gave us electricity in exchange for nationalism and a no trade agreement. We were practically trying to give you democracy with it but you never wanted it.

Here is a diplo sequence between Arrian and I that I find humorous. These happened before the trade deal took place.

by Arrian

Hey, thanks for the fast reply!

Gold and luxuries on demand sound good to me - we can work with that. Get back in touch when you know which tech you got, ok?

While we may be interested in demo at some point in the future, we aren't now, sorry. We can't really afford the anarchy, and the benifit would be minimal anyway. Our empire is very small, after all (you know the feeling, I'm sure).

-Arrian

And my response...

by Rhoth

Vox aims to please.

I should be able to get back to you sometime this weekend once we have our turn sorted out. I'll make sure to PM several of your team since I know you don't often log on during the weekend.

Regarding democracy, that's too bad but we understand. If you ever do change your mind please keep us in mind. Vox has taken pride in being the "Purveyors of Democracy" to the world.

By the way, if you're tired of how small your island is, Vox would be happy to switch with you.

Regards,

Rhoth

I don't think Arrian ever responded to my last line though.

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by Krill
Wasn't your free tech Fission? If it was, you gave us that...

Ah you're correct. We received computers in return. Like I said I wasn't doing anything for Vox for a short period of time...trying to avoid it actually.