After action report "The Great Bobian War"

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by ZargonX
Yes... one of the great unanswered questions from the war. Did someone have a double agent working for them?

In truth, I had the STRONG suspicion that this information was intentionally leaked to us (and still have a sneaking suspicion that it was). That said, it's still WAY too early to disclose any of the details on that.

Suffice it to be said we knew where the saltpeter was and we knew that Stormia had none and our knowledge of that was legal within the framework of the game.

That knowledge was, in part, what made negotiations with Legoland near the end so desperate... we knew that ND and GoW weren't going to give us a source of saltpeter and the source we supposedly had wasn't necessarily going to be linked up in time to matter... the best shot we had was trying to get Legoland to provide us a source via trade.

[vondrack]

Originally posted by Arnelos
In truth, I had the STRONG suspicion that this information was intentionally leaked to us (and still have a sneaking suspicion that it was). That said, it's still WAY too early to disclose any of the details on that.

Humm... This statement quite clearly points to Lego, since it would be - indirectly - us (and only us) profitting from RP knowing about or even grabbing that source of saltpeter, making the war bloodier & longer then. That makes me sad - as such a leak, intentional or not, was never mentioned, reported, or discussed in our forum. If it was our member, he was acting on his own, against the will of the team.

Unfortunately, that's what I have suspected from the very moment we first heard about RP knowing about that saltpeter. I do not feel comfortable about this - we can only guess what's going to be disclosed next.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by vondrack
Unfortunately, that's what I have suspected from the very moment we first heard about RP knowing about that saltpeter. I do not feel comfortable about this - we can only guess what's going to be disclosed next.

I'm sure whatever will be disclosed next to which ever team will be in Lego's best interests as well, even if this plan failed, albeit by the slimmest of margins

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

And the plot thickens...

Who is the secret double agent referred to only as "lego throat?"

Does Arnelos have a secret liberal side?

Will UnOrthO ever find the elusive MWIA and "gut out his innards?"

Find out in the next exciting episode of As the PTWDG Turns..................

[OPD]

Intel concerning Lego had a big impact on the war, likely far greater than people realize. once it became apparent that Lego were actively on the side of GoW/ND the war was basically over. Whats more the "east coast threat" ended any possibility of medium to long term millitary presence on bob while also worrying the hell out of GS.

I don't know if Lego realized it but there was a window of opportunity for them to pretty much win the game. When they decided to join GoW/ND at the start of the war if instead of going after MT/GP they had made an immediate beeline for navigation and had a mere 10-12 knights in caravels in the sea to their west coast waiting for the turn they got the tech. Then they could have easily landed on the east coast of Stormia and taken all the undefended GS cities.

Although GS figured the likelyhood of this happening was quite low the devestation would have been so grave that it did lead to the decsison to withdraw from bob.

Had Lego done this it would indeed have been GS and RP out of the game, then simply a matter of watching GoW attack ND and waiting for the eventual space win.

[vondrack]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
I'm sure whatever will be disclosed next to which ever team will be in Lego's best interests as well, even if this plan failed, albeit by the slimmest of margins

I was serious. From what Arne said, the saltpeter thing was not something that just "slipped away" (info of this magnitude cannot "slip away" anyway), it was said with a clear intention to communicate the information - and it was even made to look like it was what Lego (as a team)wanted. I feel uncomfortable knowing there's someone inside our team capable of doing that. I do not take this lightly.

I know... there's the wink smilie... but anyway, with something that spans over many months and hundreds of hours, you feel strongly about things like this.

Originally posted by OPD
Intel concerning Lego had a big impact on the war, likely far greater than people realize. once it became apparent that Lego were actively on the side of GoW/ND the war was basically over. Whats more the "east coast threat" ended any possibility of medium to long term millitary presence on bob while also worrying the hell out of GS.

I don't know if Lego realized it but there was a window of opportunity for them to pretty much win the game. When they decided to join GoW/ND at the start of the war if instead of going after MT/GP they had made an immediate beeline for navigation and had a mere 10-12 knights in caravels in the sea to their west coast waiting for the turn they got the tech. Then they could have easily landed on the east coast of Stormia and taken all the undefended GS cities.

Although GS figured the likelyhood of this happening was quite low the devestation would have been so grave that it did lead to the decsison to withdraw from bob.

Had Lego done this it would indeed have been GS and RP out of the game, then simply a matter of watching GoW attack ND and waiting for the eventual space win.

See, OPD, a plan like this has never been proposed. But come to think of it... hell, it does not look bad at all.

[Hot_Enamel]

The distinction between some members of a team "accidentally/intentionally leaking information" and "deliberately spying for another team" is sometimes blurred.

Given GS's insistence of building a city on or around the saltpeter location, we assumed they knew where it was, and planned our offences based on it. I actually made a complaint to Trip in the GoW forum that if GS was receiving intel from spies, then it was not in the spirit of the game.

I agree with Vondrack.

The location of the saltpeter was wanted kept a secret by the 3 teams who knew, and that the members who released the intel are worse than traitors. I would consider them as unwelcome spies.

[BigFree]

I'm not exactly sure where the 'intel' came from but I do rember getting it. I also remeber that I did not 100% believe the information either. I won't even bother with searching through threads to find out how the info got to RP but I'm pretty sure it happened in a chat since that's where most slips of info happen. It's also posible it was a gesture to try and help RP and not something done as a spy. A slip up is most probable. I have a hard time believing that there are any persons who are spying for another team.

[Cort Haus]

What did Trip say to your complaint against GS, H_E?

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
The distinction between some members of a team "accidentally/intentionally leaking information" and "deliberately spying for another team" is sometimes blurred.

True, but how were we, GS or RP, supposed to know the difference? And its not like this has been the only time we've received "unauthorized transmissions" or "keep my name out of it, but" etc etc. We've gotten these communications from every single team in the game. Even Glory of War. We the recipients have no clue what the actual purpose of these communiques are: are they purposeful misdirections? are they from a spy? We don't know what they are, only the person sending it does.

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
Given GS's insistence of building a city on or around the saltpeter location, we assumed they knew where it was, and planned our offences based on it. I actually made a complaint to Trip in the GoW forum that if GS was receiving intel from spies, then it was not in the spirit of the game.

If you have complaints, you need to address them in the main forum. IMHO, Trip should not be used to satisfy your private questioning about our goals and purposes. Pose the question in the main forum and let us answer and defend ourselves using Trip as the ultimate witness.

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
The location of the saltpeter was wanted kept a secret by the 3 teams who knew.

How can you be so sure of this?

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel

If you have complaints, you need to address them in the main forum.

Tricky, though, on this point. H_E couldn't exactly paste up a thread saying "How did GS know the SP was there under their stack at Barc-4411 or whatever?". Our eyes would have popped out.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Okay, I admit it. I am a spy for the Roleplay team. They planted me in GoW early on in the game and I have been secretly relayed to Togas and Arnelos all of the detailed GoW War and Attack plans.

I regret only that I have but one life to give for my Roleplay!

[Cort Haus]

Here's a scenario. Lets say GS, ND and GoW are researching Steam Power. GS finishes a couple of turns ahead and as sees the sole source of Coal on Bob is in an ND border city. Concerned about an ND takeover of Bob, GS whispers in MZ's ear "hey guys, the only coal on Bob is at xxyyzz location. You've got one turn to take it". What do GoW do?

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
What did Trip say to your complaint against GS, H_E?

Umm .. I worded my post above badly.

My complaint was against the unknown spy.
I made it quite clear it had nothing to do with GS.

Trips response was typically cryptic.





I will dig it out and post what I said ..

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
Umm .. I worded my post above badly.

My complaint was against the unknown spy.
I made it quite clear it had nothing to do with GS.

Trips response was typically cryptic.


I will dig it out and post what I said ..

Ah great (on both your and Trip's accounts)