War Weariness.

[Darekill]

This is a chain. It happens quite often. Not just to you but sometimes even to me. I don't speak for ND here as far as I remember ND did not break any Treatys in this game. It may have to do with the fact that we did not sign many....

We don't break a treaty.
We keep it in sense and wording.
We don't break a teaty.
Maybe we didn't keep the sense but at least the wording.
We don't break a teaty.
Maybe we did twist the wording. but just a little.
We don't break a teaty.
Maybe we did bend it just a little to fit our needs.
O.k. let's omit it we did break a teaty.

[redstar1]

Originally posted by Arnelos


Just as a warning of how these things can be seen in different ways (I suppose), there are a few on RP Team who have a rather different opinion about that.

This is a possible interpretation of events as they transpired. Lego is happy however that any 'treaty' did not have the words 'slave', 'b1tch', or the phrase '..and you'll take it whenever we say' contained within it....

I think the members of the Lego team are perfectly happy that we treated RP the same way they treated us....

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Arnelos

Just as a warning of how these things can be seen in different ways (I suppose),

I'm sure they can.

there are a few on RP Team who have a rather different opinion about that.

We tried.

I'm not saying we are perfect. Here and there we also make mistakes or things that seem justified for us but maybe hurt others. However, we always tried and will try to keep our promises and be fair with our friends as well as our enemies.

May the best team win.

[Harovan]

MZ,

I got to defend Aeson here.

In terms of his abilities in mastering the game and its mechanics, he's lightyears above everyone else in this forum. Hardly anyone will deny this. But he never boasted or bragged about it, but was always one of us ("us" meaning not in GS sense, but in the sense of Apolyton regular - and CFC, of course too). There have been others screaming around, that they are the best, leetest or whatever players. Aeson put them all to shame, whilst remaining decent. At the countrary, he sometimes called in his game reports some of his actions a stupid move. I would be happy if I could make such "stupid moves" like he does myself or at least even see them.

So even IF Aeson used "the word" (honor that is), it was for certain only describing or quoting something or in the phrase "honor a treaty", but never in the bragging sense.

[Aeson]

Well, since now I do not know when you are speaking honestly or making sarcastic remarks, how am I supposed to interpret this?

Now you see the problem with the posting style at least.

1) You really mean it. In that case, once again the pot calling the kettle black, is this not a "derogatory" remark against me H_E and GF? Oh wait, I know what you'll answer. You'll say that yes, you too are guilty of falling for the temptation of trolling. In that case, neither you nor I have any self-righteous substance to back up any of our arguments so why the hell are we even bothering to post then?

I really mean it, if that helps.

Ideas should be valued based on themselves, not who types them. There is no need for self-righteous substance to back up an argument if a person is willing to note their own failings and weaknesses. I noted a couple times in posts tonight that I was making derogatory remarks about you, and that the discussion wasn't about whether derogatory remarks were good or bad as well. You are getting confused with our last discussion, which was about that in part.

2) It was sarcasm. Ah, I'm sure I'll enjoy and laugh at being called a "disease". Oh wait, again, I know what you'll answer, you'll say it's just my posting style and not me as an individual, right. Gee, where have I heard that argument before?

It wasn't sarcasm. There is some in there, but it won't come across because sarcasm is a broken form of communication in text (as we've been using it here at least). I think you are getting a bit of the sarcasm though. Your guess as to my response (if it were to be sarcastic) is completely on target.

Hell, you know what? Everything ever said by, me, H_E, or GF ever in any public thread has been a sarcastic remark. So chill out, grab a beer and laugh at how stupid we've all been at taking things so seriously.

Now you see the problem, I'm sure. You still haven't noted the solution yet though.

[Arnelos]

Tiberius and redstar1,

First, I think at least redstar1 is thinking of a different treaty line than the one people on RP Team have been reacting to of late (and that I was referencing). But that's really beside the point.

As for what I think redstar1 was referring to, I've discussed at length with vondrack that I place the blame on badly-written treaties... if vondrack posted logs of those chats to your forum, you can see specifically what I thought was bad about those treaties that made conflicts over them inevitable (in my opinion).

I don't desire to discuss the details of that or what I was actually referencing out here, however. I can't see how it would be helpful to troll about what lines in what treaties have not been lived up to by various parties unless there's actually something to be GAINED by it - and, frankly, I very rarely see a case where there's potentially something to be gained. That is why I've repeatedly asked that no-one from RP Team engage in that (though admittedly with limited success at times...).

I suppose the point I was trying to imply was that making the statement "we have always been honest", something almost always up to debate, is unfortuantely the typical way in which these flame threads get started.

I'd rather we just not start this one.

[Tiberius]

Rather not, indeed.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Aeson
I have said that I am biased against you. I think your posting style is a disease that infects most internet forums, and it sickens me to see the same old thing brought into forums which I chose to participate in mainly due to the lack of that disease. I do not have problems with GoW, other than those problems I have with you, HE, and GF as concerns this forum. I cannot help that you three are on the same team, but if you go back to previous discussions, both here and on other forums, you will see that I have made the same arguments against others who are not affiliated with GoW in any way.

Hey, I have specifically tried to refrain from any comments on GS as your team has shown it has no sense of humor and you turn around and start making derogatory remarks about me all over again.

Fine. Orangesoda sucks, Gatorade's better!

[Aeson]

I was just sad that last time you stopped responding to me. Couldn't help but try and get you back in the mix somehow GF...

orangesoda is something that I have no need to defend, it is reproachless in it's perfection. Gatorade is pretty good anyways.

[Harovan]

GF has a point here and I'm pleasantly surprised about his change for that matter. He was once known for going quite personal in his comments and I was pretty pissed at him at a time. But things have gotten much more civilized. That doesn't mean that fun is gone. We still taunt each other at heart, but nothing of it is goes below the belt.

That's for you GF:

That said, now shut up GF or I tell everyone what a DL you are.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Hey, I have specifically tried to refrain from any comments on GS as your team has shown it has no sense of humor and you turn around and start making derogatory remarks about me all over again.

Before accusing others of lack of humour, it is usually wise to check that you've said something funny.

Apart from that, Bravo, Sir"!

(PS - didn't you read our annex about the Steps of the Stormian Senate?)

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
That's for you GF:

That said, now shut up GF or I tell everyone what a DL you are.

The equivilent of someone saying:

"Here, puppy, puppy, puppy. Cute, puppy."

Then kicking it 6 feet through the air into a mulch machine.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
The equivilent of someone saying:

"Here, puppy, puppy, puppy. Cute, puppy."

Then kicking it 6 feet through the air into a mulch machine.

I would never call you a puppy. Since you live in a swamp, you're of course an alligator.

See you lator.

[Cort Haus]

I don't think he meant it, GF - just some lively banter between consenting individuals.

[Harovan]

I'm sure GF perfectly knows how it was meant.