Trade Session Two

[Esoteric]

I think this session is either done or in contention, Tora. I was thinking of session 3, or session 2 redone for that trade, btw.

[TORARADICAL]

Well it is not played, so if it is kept I want to make sure it is in.

[Aidun]

I hope at least that my trades will be included. Ghengis are you going to include them?

Esoteric, do you agree with my offer?

Aidun

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Why doesn't someone start a poll with the following options:
1) Trade Session 2 transactions are valid that were done within its first 48 hours.

2) Trade Session 2 transactions are valid that were done within its first 72 hours.

3) Trade Session 2 transactions are all invalid.

[Tassadar500]

No, that's stupid. I didn't know that we could still play after 48 hours, so I didn't sell/buy anything.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

So, I take it that's a vote for option 3?

[Esoteric]

option 3

When do we start to calculate the general upkeep of the Vassals and city labor in, GF? Doesn't my vassal require 1 food per session in upkeep?

Your new posted rules are great, nice to see something in the way of consolidation. Labor should really be more defined, and what about skilled labor such as carpenters. I notice I have a lot of trees on my land, and naturally I would like to get the most out of thiings as they stand now. So, I thought about putting together a skilled force of stone masons, carpenters, and possible a blacksmith or two- a basic construction company let's call it.

But there isn't anything in existence in the rules currently about our 4th basic resource, beyond how we acquire our first, free, self-maintaining slave.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Esoteric
option 3
But there isn't anything in existence in the rules currently about our 4th basic resource, beyond how we acquire our first, free, self-maintaining slave.

In the $MiniGame a new Vassal was put up for auction for every Worker we captured from another civ. Vassals required 1 Food for every 2 Vassals you had, any odd Vassal wasn't considered to require food, so 1 Vassal required no Food, 2 Vassals required 1 Food, 3 Vassals required 1 Food, etc.

It was also proposed to have Carpenters, Masons, and such but wasn't implemented due to many players feeling it would make the game too complicated.

[Esoteric]

But we can have a variety of Alcohols with own markets and still consider it 'simple'?

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Esoteric
But we can have a variety of Alcohols with own markets and still consider it 'simple'?

How would you propose we implement them? The reason they were left out in the $MiniGame was because they didn't do anything that wasn't already capable of being done.

[Aeson]

How about a simple 1 commerce/per job + vassal = vassal capable of doing 2x labor of the job type (ie. specialist)? The commerce would signify training/education costs and incentive.

So a "carpenter" would be a vassal + 1 commerce, and could work 2 shields on a build instead of one. A "brewer" would be the same, but could create 2 beer out of 4 food and a commerce. Each session would require the creation/maintanence fee of 1 commerce for the specialization.

This would help give commerce a role in building things. As it is now, food supports vassals, shields are applied directly to builds, but commerce only seems to exist to be sold/traded? (Unless there is something I am missing... unit support?)

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Hmm, I like it. Except for the Brewer part, my thinking being that hiring more people or better people wouldn't allow you to brew more beer. The quantity would be more dependant on the vats and equipment. I could see a Brewer making a higher quality beer that could sell for a bonus though. Sort of brewing Heineken versus Milwaukee's Best.

So, would you "train" a specialist for a turn then he would be that specialist the following turn?

Another possibilty would be the construction of a Lumber Mill that could convert shields from Forest tiles into Lumber. Lumber could be used the same as Shields, with a Lumber Mill creating 2 Lumber from 1 raw Shield. (Trust me, its going to be the lack of shields that are going to hurt us in building construction.)

[Aeson]

For ease of use I'd just say the turn of the building you'd say "Using vassal + 1 commerce to convert 2 shields into X".

The idea that beer from a brewer (probably any finished goods from a specialist) would have a price bonus instead of quantity bonus is a good one.

[Esoteric]

Nice follow up- I completely agree with your proposal Aeson.

[=OttomusCeasar=]

Option 2.

I like the Specialist idea.